Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Prabs-0007ez-5i; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:35:51 -0800 Received: by qwk3 with SMTP id 3sf3893401qwk.16 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:35:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BESKrjhttA3GEOl6Twk665UQCfyiFfKnvxNHYAoJrUY=; b=MRo0Q8UA+fBembqGVitHu7QSASkGvt5QSn6xhBymYbRYpnUqb75XVyocXeFXUwnRSt YrN51vHTzhrJDR5DKHYxXMdJD5UGGg6p6q78wm6CUvWPTeCvvnrhH3ESgV5LP24ARbpH NLx3cvmoZBOFIds3p1SS8k2sA6i8mMpsjlEok= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cug3ngdn/+Gyql/kJ/jXYNEtHIq1VRFZxIgbf5cvzgoi7InEPU7YaV+IMAxDKFrVU+ aaKME6dOUloUYvsQy28y5GrSGb7gxDZakilxBV1uWBC0RhiJa0orczJ7xwA7rUJZmAs2 ZMhxdMO4SlIHUF5VtdMiUrFcRHUYVgBGiEgy0= Received: by 10.224.11.139 with SMTP id t11mr80185qat.2.1298313334318; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:35:34 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.184.8 with SMTP id ci8ls1194826qab.7.p; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.14.158 with SMTP id g30mr139165qca.8.1298313333683; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.14.158 with SMTP id g30mr139164qca.8.1298313333660; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:35:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qw0-f47.google.com (mail-qw0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ey28si1167610qcb.15.2011.02.21.10.35.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.47; Received: by qwi2 with SMTP id 2so593208qwi.20 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:35:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.219.136 with SMTP id hu8mr1247063qcb.249.1298313332423; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:35:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.191.21 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:35:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201102171403.40004.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201102171622.02738.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 19:35:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Question about {roda} From: Remo Dentato To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1001 On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > I would read that as "everything (which are people) hate me". =A0So you'r= e > still saying {roda xebni mi} while also implying that {roda prenu}. Yes, I was just saying that since you had {noi}, you might use {poi} instead and really restrict {da}. I hope we all will end up with a sort of common understanding. At the moment I'm still on the side of those that say that {da} may be implicitly bound by by reasonable assumptions on the context (the universe of discourse), I'm no longer sure of who's against this point of view (and why). remo --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.