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2011/2/13 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

> On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote=
:
> > On Thursday 10 February 2011 16:28:49 tijlan wrote:
> >> Which one is better for the interrogative "which ....": "poi" or
> >> "noi"? For example:
> >>
> >> Which car do you use?
> >> do pilno ma ___ karce
> >
> > "poi".
>
> I think "do pilno ma poi karce" would expect an answer like "lo
> marce", i.e. something more general than cars that can be restricted
> to cars:  "mi pilno lo marce poi karce", "I use a vehicle which is a
> car".
>
> > "do pilno ma noi karce" I can answer with anything that I use, but if
> > it's not a car, you asked the question wrong.
>
> But the answer has to take into account the full form of the question,
> so I would say it's the answer that is wrong, not the question. I
> think the question is just slightly odd in that it doesn't seem to
> have very natural answers.
>
>

  Not necessarily.  The answer could be "ta", accompnaied by a point.  Or
"le xunre".  Those both work.   Or even "no da".


> > "lo karce poi mo" and "lo karce
> > po'u ma" and "lo mo karce" are also good; the answers to "mo" will be
> > different from those to "ma". "lo ma karce" is "Whose car?".
>
> Yes, "lo ma karce" is closer to "Whose car?", but not exactly the
> same, since "ma" could be any sumti, not just a reference to a person,
> so you could answer "lo ma karce" with "lo spofu tergu'i". "Which
> car?" "The one with the broken light".
>
>
            --gejyspa

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/2/13 Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span=
><br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"im">On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Pierre Abbat &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; O=
n Thursday 10 February 2011 16:28:49 tijlan wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; Which one is=
 better for the interrogative &quot;which ....&quot;: &quot;poi&quot; or<br=
>
&gt;&gt; &quot;noi&quot;? For example:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Which car do=
 you use?<br>&gt;&gt; do pilno ma ___ karce<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &quot;poi&quot;=
.<br><br></div>I think &quot;do pilno ma poi karce&quot; would expect an an=
swer like &quot;lo<br>
marce&quot;, i.e. something more general than cars that can be restricted<b=
r>to cars: =A0&quot;mi pilno lo marce poi karce&quot;, &quot;I use a vehicl=
e which is a<br>car&quot;.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>&gt; &quot;do pilno ma noi karce&quot; I can answer w=
ith anything that I use, but if<br>&gt; it&#39;s not a car, you asked the q=
uestion wrong.<br><br></div>But the answer has to take into account the ful=
l form of the question,<br>
so I would say it&#39;s the answer that is wrong, not the question. I<br>th=
ink the question is just slightly odd in that it doesn&#39;t seem to<br>hav=
e very natural answers.<br>
<div class=3D"im">=A0</div></blockquote>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0 Not necessarily.=A0 The answer could be &quot;ta&quot;, accompnaie=
d by a point.=A0 Or &quot;le xunre&quot;.=A0 Those both work.=A0=A0 Or even=
 &quot;no da&quot;.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"im">&gt; &quot;lo karce poi mo&quot; and &quot;lo karce<br>&g=
t; po&#39;u ma&quot; and &quot;lo mo karce&quot; are also good; the answers=
 to &quot;mo&quot; will be<br>&gt; different from those to &quot;ma&quot;. =
&quot;lo ma karce&quot; is &quot;Whose car?&quot;.<br>
<br></div>Yes, &quot;lo ma karce&quot; is closer to &quot;Whose car?&quot;,=
 but not exactly the<br>same, since &quot;ma&quot; could be any sumti, not =
just a reference to a person,<br>so you could answer &quot;lo ma karce&quot=
; with &quot;lo spofu tergu&#39;i&quot;. &quot;Which<br>
car?&quot; &quot;The one with the broken light&quot;.<br>
<div class=3D"im">=A0</div></blockquote>
<div>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa</div>
<div>=A0</div></div></div>

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