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What about the fact that {ro prenu} means {roda poi prenu}, but the intent
is usually {roda poi prenu je se pensi be mi}

It seems to me that making {ro} (and thus {roda}) mean everything with no
restriction but what has been explicit makes it all but useless in most
conversation (extremely precise speakers, pedants, and logicians rejoice).
Furthermore, its a mistake that is easy to make, frequent, and doesn't
suffer misunderstanding.

Without some sort of implicit qualification, it is false and silly to say
{ro prenu cu canci le kumfa} because {su'o da poi prenu zo'u da na nenri le
bi'unai kumfa}

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'm going to call BS on this point here.
> Why does it have to be {da}?
>
> We say "everybody", which semantically restricts it to people.
> We say "every day", which semantically restricts it to days.
> We say "everything", which means everything. Absolutely everything.
>
> {ro prenu} or {ro djedi} or {ro da}... not semantically difficult and not=
 a
> huge mouthful. {roda} is fine exactly as it is and means what it does. We=
 do
> -not- need to generalise. If I have to stop and ask, "Wait, did you mean
> -everything- everything or 'everything we're talking about' everything?"
> then I don't want to speak Lojban anymore. Seriously. That is -THE-
> definitive point of why I speak and learn Lojban. One word, one meaning.
> {roda} means everything. Everything everything. All things. That is what =
it
> literally means. If we say that it has an implicit NOI clause that provid=
es
> context, then absolutely -every- member of KOhA also has to have an impli=
cit
> NOI clause. This is Not A Good Thing=99.
>
> I veto your laziness and suggest that you say what you mean.
>
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What about the fact that {ro prenu} means {roda poi prenu}, but the intent =
is usually {roda poi prenu je se pensi be mi}<br><br>It seems to me that ma=
king {ro} (and thus {roda}) mean everything with no restriction but what ha=
s been explicit makes it all but useless in most conversation (extremely pr=
ecise speakers, pedants, and logicians rejoice).=A0 Furthermore, its a mist=
ake that is easy to make, frequent, and doesn&#39;t suffer misunderstanding=
.<br>
<br>Without some sort of implicit qualification, it is false and silly to s=
ay {ro prenu cu canci le kumfa} because {su&#39;o da poi prenu zo&#39;u da =
na nenri le bi&#39;unai kumfa}<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Fe=
b 22, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Lindar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:linda=
rthebard@yahoo.com">lindarthebard@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">I&#39;m going to =
call BS on this point here.<div>Why does it have to be {da}?</div><div><br>
</div><div>We say &quot;everybody&quot;, which semantically restricts it to=
 people.</div><div>We say &quot;every day&quot;, which semantically restric=
ts it to days.</div><div>We say &quot;everything&quot;, which means everyth=
ing. Absolutely everything.</div>
<div><br></div><div>{ro prenu} or {ro djedi} or {ro da}... not semantically=
 difficult and not a huge mouthful. {roda} is fine exactly as it is and mea=
ns what it does. We do -not- need to generalise. If I have to stop and ask,=
 &quot;Wait, did you mean -everything- everything or &#39;everything we&#39=
;re talking about&#39; everything?&quot; then I don&#39;t want to speak Loj=
ban anymore. Seriously. That is -THE- definitive point of why I speak and l=
earn Lojban. One word, one meaning. {roda} means everything. Everything eve=
rything. All things. That is what it literally means. If we say that it has=
 an implicit NOI clause that provides context, then absolutely -every- memb=
er of KOhA also has to have an implicit NOI clause. This is Not A Good Thin=
g=99.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I veto your laziness and suggest that you say what you =
mean.</div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5">

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