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A square has four equal sides.<http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/271700>

{lo kubykurfa se pagbu vo dunli korbi} is an almost literal translation, but
I feel like it's unacceptably vague for lojban.

Starting with choices of translations for the word "square": {kurfa} is not
precise enough, as it can mean rectangle, {kubykurfa} could mean cube, but
not unless context or an explicit dimension place indicate it, and
{pitkubykurfa} is necessarily planar.

ta'o {sa'orkurfa} seems like a horrible word to mean rhombus/diamond, since
{kurfa} has right angles but not necessarily equal sides, and a rhombus has
necessarily equal sides but not necessarily right angles.

ta'onai {kubykurfa} seems to be a good choice to mean "square".

The English "has" means "is made up of", so {pagbu} and {gunma} seem to be
the reasonable choices.  I can't figure out which one is more appropriate.
ji'a, both seem to lack the implication that the parts are all there is,
va'i we're not talking about a hexagon with side-lengths 4,4,4,4,2,1 (maybe
{vo broda noi dunli}).

Next, what should I use for "equal"?  li'a I need {dunli}, but should I use
it as part of a tanru or in a subordinate clause in a tanru logical
connection, or something else?

Now for "sides", {korbi} and {mlana} seem to be the obvious choices, but
neither seems quite right.

Any suggestions?

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<a href=3D"http://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/271700">A square has four =
equal sides.</a><br><br>{lo kubykurfa se pagbu vo dunli korbi} is an almost=
 literal translation, but I feel like it&#39;s unacceptably vague for lojba=
n.<br>
<br>Starting with choices of translations for the word &quot;square&quot;: =
{kurfa} is not precise enough, as it can mean rectangle, {kubykurfa} could =
mean cube, but not unless context or an explicit dimension place indicate i=
t, and {pitkubykurfa} is necessarily planar.<br>
<br>ta&#39;o {sa&#39;orkurfa} seems like a horrible word to mean rhombus/di=
amond, since {kurfa} has right angles but not necessarily equal sides, and =
a rhombus has necessarily equal sides but not necessarily right angles.<br>
<br>ta&#39;onai {kubykurfa} seems to be a good choice to mean &quot;square&=
quot;.<br><br clear=3D"all">The English &quot;has&quot; means &quot;is made=
 up of&quot;, so {pagbu} and {gunma} seem to be the reasonable choices.=A0 =
I can&#39;t figure out which one is more appropriate.=A0 ji&#39;a, both see=
m to lack the implication that the parts are all there is, va&#39;i we&#39;=
re not talking about a hexagon with side-lengths 4,4,4,4,2,1 (maybe {vo bro=
da noi dunli}).<br>
<br>Next, what should I use for &quot;equal&quot;?=A0 li&#39;a I need {dunl=
i}, but should I use it as part of a tanru or in a subordinate clause in a =
tanru logical connection, or something else?<br><br>Now for &quot;sides&quo=
t;, {korbi} and {mlana} seem to be the obvious choices, but neither seems q=
uite right.<br>
<br>Any suggestions?<br><br>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0Alex R</div></div><br>

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