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That seems like a pretty significant irregularity to me; if {no da} fills a
predicate place, it is as if {na} were put in, but if {no da} fills a TAG
place, it isn't. Or is it that {broda TAG} is a new predicate which is false
when {broda TAG no da} is true even though {broda} itself may be true?

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Wednesday 23 February 2011 16:16:00 spermwhale.warrior wrote:
> > First, {bau} means "in langage", second, what you want is "bai".
> > And third, you Alex are wrong, because {bu'a bai zi'o} simply means
> > {bu'a} : it deletes this place from the predicate.
> > To say that broda or whatsoever happens without compulsion, you must
> > say "broda bai noda", because if you don't,
> > {zo'e} will always remplace it, something that does not precise
> > anything.
>
> "fasnu bai noda" doesn't mean "happens without compulsion", it means
> "doesn't
> happen with compulsion", i.e. it may or may not happen, but if it happens,
> it
> is not compelled. For "happens without compulsion", I'd say "fasnu bainai".
>
> "gau" means "with agent", or "by" in the construction "it was done by him".
> See the note "ca farvi gau" at the bottom of jbovlaste: "it is developing,
> and some agent is involved".
>
> Pierre
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That seems like a pretty significant irregularity to me; if {no da} fills a=
 predicate place, it is as if {na} were put in, but if {no da} fills a TAG =
place, it isn&#39;t. Or is it that {broda TAG} is a new predicate which is =
false when {broda TAG no da} is true even though {broda} itself may be true=
?<br>
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .latros.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Fe=
b 23, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:phma@phma.optus.nu">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204)=
; margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Wednesday 23 February 2011 16:16:00 spermwhale.warrior=
 wrote:<br>
&gt; First, {bau} means &quot;in langage&quot;, second, what you want is &q=
uot;bai&quot;.<br>
&gt; And third, you Alex are wrong, because {bu&#39;a bai zi&#39;o} simply =
means<br>
&gt; {bu&#39;a} : it deletes this place from the predicate.<br>
&gt; To say that broda or whatsoever happens without compulsion, you must<b=
r>
&gt; say &quot;broda bai noda&quot;, because if you don&#39;t,<br>
&gt; {zo&#39;e} will always remplace it, something that does not precise<br=
>
&gt; anything.<br>
<br>
</div>&quot;fasnu bai noda&quot; doesn&#39;t mean &quot;happens without com=
pulsion&quot;, it means &quot;doesn&#39;t<br>
happen with compulsion&quot;, i.e. it may or may not happen, but if it happ=
ens, it<br>
is not compelled. For &quot;happens without compulsion&quot;, I&#39;d say &=
quot;fasnu bainai&quot;.<br>
<br>
&quot;gau&quot; means &quot;with agent&quot;, or &quot;by&quot; in the cons=
truction &quot;it was done by him&quot;.<br>
See the note &quot;ca farvi gau&quot; at the bottom of jbovlaste: &quot;it =
is developing,<br>
and some agent is involved&quot;.<br>
<br>
Pierre<br>
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