Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PsdzI-0005Jn-IY; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:24:25 -0800 Received: by vxc33 with SMTP id 33sf443708vxc.16 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:24:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=2DQZgeMoDPL3ZCjUja5YgEQXUili8NaNWr3SXCZ6/+8=; b=OaMxGvuMO/IkzTWAhqhJQkqiNZm3nQDkvu1HDmK81gR2fV+XFvJKm/K+tQboz/OZl1 rFcPW/02Vo8h8+pPZIXBj9VPEZk5s6LotyDe5vez/7z+iwISk3UJsEM3ekPRxArMrh8a ndAYmXMwAZTfGw+tf28qIcGYGlqvdutLXeRx0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=YmaDIDGfkG/KOGQ3o+4VMNoMJQctqemn4KHFruL53WXoYyXu15+9We6EHcOl21/Vu9 RNU4hy1xVtb/kuG+rvweBs6K0Zf4p8BdAXbX3TcITLOGC/D3UP7P0FoOUPO2WVRhd8wM WOtUF42W3aMp9IY7SJWvmpddXQGJWjWPdUhnM= Received: by 10.220.195.76 with SMTP id eb12mr99996vcb.16.1298564646421; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:24:06 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.53.138 with SMTP id m10ls340589vcg.2.p; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.89.81 with SMTP id d17mr364237vcm.27.1298564645051; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.89.81 with SMTP id d17mr364236vcm.27.1298564645028; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id m31si1402179vcr.1.2011.02.24.08.24.03; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:24:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=pepdxKapwHuwCZNFD5uob2wvham6E+RljB0uXw08FdQ= c=1 sm=0 a=u5hecJhm9LsA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=kDPDoJPaw3jHmBtTkBEA:9 a=zyBDfjyV4S4Vj4Uqmop4IOoQxgEA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:44991] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id DD/DB-19545-326866D4; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:24:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6601714196 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:24:00 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: BAI zi'o Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:23:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201102232335.57096.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201102241123.58373.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Google-Group-Id: 94518172 Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 976 On Thursday 24 February 2011 10:13:11 Ian Johnson wrote: > That seems like a pretty significant irregularity to me; if {no da} fills a > predicate place, it is as if {na} were put in, but if {no da} fills a TAG > place, it isn't. Or is it that {broda TAG} is a new predicate which is > false when {broda TAG no da} is true even though {broda} itself may be > true? "noda" works the same way whether it's in a numbered place or a tagged place. Prepositions (including tense markers) can be negated, though, whereas FA cannot. Pierre -- I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.