Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pt23j-0002DN-O8; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:06:35 -0800 Received: by ywg8 with SMTP id 8sf932260ywg.16 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:06:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :x-google-group-id:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=d6CjVa66o4UTw6GD3xish12POZho50Ehny+ZUopIpkc=; b=Pi3rQZ1QBx5GdDvxq2SPwC9rd9dM6Ady52GnEerNp8rXxyJFPLMLEyh74rsQTv/Y0x rdrTFsDzkWgJfdOCLYW+pxTzkxom/kxu7wt7AVknXFU142nK8y7k2xqriHYVYt5Z7Dkq Yo4kjbKYVzzT9juC+dzD9CArbP+d80ahz6jQg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=GwtgLlhGxyCk+uqqLRVs26XM7iKwzpnERjE+a1SneumvirzNBQPXlSPvwvB42pGCbr gFTDKy5uNaabYcdKTi+swDxPPWv8iI3GW2MYKSRMoyQ6Ilt5qTZKfA8Q14Z0H0TTnd0R L2ZeKdtGzXCcAi+KmK+s3pGXdHpYZZRlsNVzw= Received: by 10.150.133.10 with SMTP id g10mr405302ybd.27.1298647465695; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:24:25 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.67.68 with SMTP id q4ls724941ibi.3.p; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.48.8 with SMTP id uu8mr24125icb.67.1298647464870; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.43.48.8 with SMTP id uu8mr24124icb.67.1298647464860; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f174.google.com (mail-iy0-f174.google.com [209.85.210.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wp5si105820icb.5.2011.02.25.07.24.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.174; Received: by mail-iy0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 26so972566iyb.19 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:24:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.85.72 with SMTP id p8mr30423icl.47.1298647464708; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.200.198 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:24:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <12056049.313.1298617316637.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prof15> References: <12056049.313.1298617316637.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prof15> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:24:24 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Question about {roda} From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Google-Group-Id: 94518172 Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30334bb3d2891c049d1ceca5 Content-Length: 4197 --20cf30334bb3d2891c049d1ceca5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you think of roda as contextually restricted, that sentence translates into English as: "I see two mammals. Both are dogs." And I thought we had decided we weren't going to debate on Beginner's threads? On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Lindar wrote: > They seem like nearly unrelated comments, and it doesn't really make sense. > I mean, you could say, "I see two mammals. Everything is a dog." but it > doesn't make any more sense it English. That's not how it would be used. I > actually find it useful in conversation to have {ro da poi prenu} mean > literally absolutely all people. {ro lo ro prenu} seems to be nearly > identical in meaning. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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"I see two mammals. Both are dogs."
And I thought we had decided we weren't going to debate on Beginner= 9;s threads?

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Lindar <lindarthebard= @yahoo.com> wrote:
They seem like nearly unrelated comments, and it doesn't really make se= nse. I mean, you could say, "I see two mammals. Everything is a dog.&q= uot; but it doesn't make any more sense it English. That's not how = it would be used. I actually find it useful in conversation to have {ro da = poi prenu} mean literally absolutely all people. {ro lo ro prenu} seems to = be nearly identical in meaning.

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