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There are some of these in the current lujvo
larders<http://vlasisku.lojban.org/ideology>,
like "communism" is "universal governing idea"
(guntrusi'o<http://vlasisku.lojban.org/guntrusi'o>
)

Alot of them use "idea" { sidbo } as the "ism" suffix, ...but I have some
suggestions. I've never tried making lujvo before, mind you.

zoi . stidi .

*libertarianism: advocating individual freedoms*
*"an epistemology of private freedom"*
{ sivni zifre ve djuno } or { sivzifyveju'o }

*communism: common ownership of means of production*
*"an epistomology of public industry"*
{ gubni gundi ve djuno } or { gubgudveju'o }

.stidi.

and here's my reasoning.

zoi .ciksi.

an "-ism" in the sense of a person's approach to a subject, could be
described as an idea { lo sidbo } or an abstraction { lo sucta }, or maybe a
system of facts { lo ve djuno } or a methodology of facts { lo te saske }

 ...but functionally, I'd like if the word was an understanding of something
{ lo ve djuno }, and then it would make sense to translate

"What's your political stance on topic X"
"What's your political stance on the fact that X"

as

"What methodology do you employ to understand topic X"
"What methodology do you employ to know fact X"

a.k.a.

{ do djuno fi X fo ma }
{ do djuno fe X fo ma }

and then, you know, things like "libertarianism" or "communism" might be
answers to that question. "I understand this issue (or know this fact)
through the lens of..."

"I'm religiously marxist but fiscally libertarian"
{ mi gubgudju'o lo lijda .i kui mi sivzifyju'o lo djini }
. ciksi .

co'o

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<div><br></div><div>Alot of them use &quot;idea&quot; { sidbo } as the &quo=
t;ism&quot; suffix, ...but I have some suggestions. I&#39;ve never tried ma=
king lujvo before, mind you.</div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=
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<br></div><div>zoi . stidi .</div><div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv=3D"c=
ontent-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div><b>libertarianism:=
 advocating individual freedoms</b></div><div><i>&quot;an epistemology of p=
rivate freedom&quot;</i></div>

<div>{ sivni zifre ve djuno } or { sivzifyveju&#39;o }</div><div><br></div>=
<div><b>communism: common ownership of means of production</b></div><div><i=
>&quot;an epistomology of public industry&quot;</i></div><div>{ gubni gundi=
 ve djuno } or { gubgudveju&#39;o }</div>

</div><div><br></div><div>.stidi.</div><div><br></div><div>and here&#39;s m=
y reasoning.</div><div><br></div><div>zoi .ciksi.</div><div><br></div>an &q=
uot;-ism&quot; in the sense of a person&#39;s approach to a subject, could =
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html; charset=3Dutf-8">=A0lo=A0sidbo } or an abstraction {<meta http-equiv=
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a http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">=A0lo=
=A0te saske }<div>

<br></div><div>=A0...but functionally, I&#39;d like if the word was an unde=
rstanding of something { lo ve djuno }, and then it would make sense to tra=
nslate</div><div><br></div><div>&quot;What&#39;s your political stance on t=
opic X&quot;<br>

<div>&quot;What&#39;s your political stance on the fact that X&quot;</div><=
div><br></div><div>as</div><div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=
=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline=
">&quot;What methodology do you employ to understand topic X&quot;</div>

</div><div><div>&quot;What methodology do you employ to know fact X&quot;</=
div></div><div><br></div><div>a.k.a.</div><div><br></div><div><font class=
=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"&#39;courier new&#39;, monospace">{ do djuno =
fi X fo ma }</font></div>

<div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-=
8"><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"&#39;courier new&#39;, monospac=
e">{ do djuno fe X fo ma }</font></div><div><br></div><div>and then, you kn=
ow, things like &quot;libertarianism&quot; or &quot;communism&quot; might b=
e answers to that question. &quot;I understand this issue (or know this fac=
t) through the lens of...&quot;</div>

<div><br></div><div>&quot;I&#39;m religiously marxist but fiscally libertar=
ian&quot;</div><div>{ mi gubgudju&#39;o lo lijda .i kui mi=A0sivzifyju&#39;=
o lo djini }</div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; c=
harset=3Dutf-8"><div>

. ciksi .</div></div><div><br></div><div>co&#39;o</div><div><br></div></div=
>

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