Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PvUy7-0008Pf-7a; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 05:22:58 -0800 Received: by vxc33 with SMTP id 33sf930286vxc.16 for ; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 05:22:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=Z8lYfn8FAfx/WTvRLb2oFK0YqX7erDyddOEPgStkzn0=; b=1IInYY6dnntTgpj05k8LFDXdtAH3TCUd6lqR4n3RC6QwiB97pl4cP1TVQvlhDE20YN spFJOy7Ffr+FVZYu7OPGQqM3qNzstknUYD29eJVx8gqtUrFSvWpNnOaiz10rb/L3LdhE 247uBp4z9UP52OmjyNj8iUwTtcBbnj6vGCgYk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=sKvA2WYbUaQGs3edxy5Rd4pD9vJRRcu5iiW/AEJX+Vf4FgxXWiuQeMfu9zjpYyyK+z Iq/0Fdz5KVruMYU5LFpiIvUeGtpNlxfKyig7btJD2OsGgy9057BBq5rQS600wCMOaKFh Vuux6b4HEfhPqvnCcSYP1YIdgDLZGDH644sDs= Received: by 10.220.123.134 with SMTP id p6mr39046vcr.13.1299244961177; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 05:22:41 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.67.30 with SMTP id p30ls917199vci.3.p; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 05:22:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.94.173 with SMTP id dd13mr131921vdb.21.1299244960367; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 05:22:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.94.173 with SMTP id dd13mr131920vdb.21.1299244960353; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 05:22:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id dn10si142251vdc.6.2011.03.04.05.22.38; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 05:22:38 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=pepdxKapwHuwCZNFD5uob2wvham6E+RljB0uXw08FdQ= c=1 sm=0 a=niC6zbU5RpkA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=onAubCnll6gFekSxcH4A:9 a=xskQcSjfxc-A_BWWvbOZKgmCOUwA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:52484] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id EE/14-19545-D97E07D4; Fri, 04 Mar 2011 13:22:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7C6ECBE for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2011 08:22:37 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] question about soi and go'i Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 08:22:31 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <42f9eaf8-897b-499c-89b3-9bef2a378c9f@m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com> <201103031452.31592.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201103040822.34315.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1075 On Thursday 03 March 2011 20:51:45 Ian Johnson wrote: > {ra'o} works with third person? "vo'a" isn't third-person, it's reflexive. "mi klama le zdani be vo'a" mean= s=20 the same as "mi klama le zdani be mi". On Thursday 03 March 2011 12:42:35 Michael Turniansky wrote: > Does "mi jinvi lo du'u no'a ra'o " -> "I think that you think that I thin= k > that...."? No. "ra'o" updates the meaning of "mi" or "do" as a sumti of the referent o= f=20 GOhA when the speaker changes. The speaker doesn't change in this subordina= te=20 clause. The other silly combination is "du ra'o". Pierre --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.