Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q0gsH-0002on-5O; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:06:24 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf3526063gwb.16 for ; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:06:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=93GZpTNThPGMKOMmBWqfm32LMMB55Th6jGp+QFrwYJA=; b=ga6Q0OJefbgY1gpjMzG69/gOXoWEpmCag3HvZBidMqkUgATJSW59TWmDYuMfMXSZTE 5cR6wmAWO1yOJUTutdnIPE2Ak/MQWf2oW9U6ILEnkEOdV3bOafSbcOB1de/49b6ZWjVV lCXDrzMCbPD0YXGZU23+304xXBwX5OgTio/Ys= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=TDqSxnpb9lEjRD7jT5/qrEGTA/NJn5DwEyl7j26nBv0mWU1T58ZVAlP+0aXR9uXY7Y 3Q9cMosFVgPFSbnaWTAhg2+GDdlkRcWSBQjLgqvafguiZ+RIboxIiG0hLihm/NksT6ac G0wAYLTGol/VJ8e2pquxbbfvqv3NIYDTP2iTc= Received: by 10.90.128.3 with SMTP id a3mr253633agd.49.1300482364374; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:06:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.29.7 with SMTP id c7ls223920anc.7.p; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:06:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.38.11 with SMTP id q11mr233936anj.7.1300482363696; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by r3g2000yqh.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:06:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <12252717.2050.1300480502422.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqdm5> X-IP: 89.72.45.166 References: <12252717.2050.1300480502422.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqdm5> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.16 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu/10.10 Chromium/10.0.648.127 Chrome/10.0.648.127 Safari/534.16,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <0b5049a8-5d3d-4126-a429-8c666c657e56@r3g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Confused about definitions From: ianek To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1545 Hi! Yes, all definitions are the same, but x1, x2, x3 refer to the predicate places. That means that the following sentences are equivalent: {ti bridi ta tu} {ta selbri ti tu} {tu terbri ta ti} b1, b2, b3 refer to the places of the original predicate {bridi}. mu'o mi'e ianek On 18 Mar, 21:35, Juanes wrote: > Hi, > > I found following definitions in the English-Lojban dictionary 2010 and I= 'm > confused, hopefully somebody can give me a simple explanation: > > *bridi* (bri): x1 (text) is a predicate relationship with relation x2 amo= ng > arguments (sequence/set) x3. Also: x3 are related by relation x2 (x3 is a > set completely specified) > > *selbri* (se + bridi): x2 =3D b1 (text) is a predicate relationship with > relation x1 =3D b2 among arguments x3 =3D b3 =A0(ordered set) > > *terbri* (te + bridi): *x*3*=3Db*1 (text) is a predicate relationship wit= h > relation *x*2*=3Db*2 among arguments *x*1*=3Db*3 (ordered set) > > To me it looks as all three definitions are the same, (a part from the x1= , > x2, x3inversion) is that so or is it me not getting it. Also does someone > know what b1, b2 etc refer to? > > Thanks, > > .juanes. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.