Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q2kBy-0002zu-Ja; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:03:14 -0700 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36sf15914147qyk.16 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:03:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=WEZhZgLFk0eXQ0hsEB/AsMsIKdD6cIdHFTZ8qqncBn0=; b=j1UWqOb0OpBuKkm6toRA/y9eDL9QvNWCcd1CoFU0LVPrwo3uqwNmUdNwlQblZMu1rl HrpywCM7XBZK0Ov6TrQ4e4vXeuYRyFPgbB3ZASzeVcDtmwbI8zzAUqJ4lN0TnNwr4GJO 2g9BquG1DWR71qtt/AwPjx0PP9TqId45a42Ec= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=o/RJ6c61Lh889JTlZQAUhyv8xH/k068oY8R1uT778gUsRo6phVo9DOtfi8KCOZ3FaG dYbn62IfBA3KadkquQ6zoFt/vj8Fvp8honjOuGXWfMkQeW8zM+IEjLle/dn/tT5yuFfW 8lcMoa04tevwi/s5nvbqVRbyEeseQdZdeQWZ0= Received: by 10.229.140.199 with SMTP id j7mr1315393qcu.49.1300971773362; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:02:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.69.21 with SMTP id x21ls221087qci.2.p; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.78.224 with SMTP id m32mr600167qck.18.1300971772354; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.78.224 with SMTP id m32mr600166qck.18.1300971772320; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id c2si1906333qca.0.2011.03.24.06.02.50; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 06:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Nm3SJc7L3wlcojC9snsyzORkYWw1JOu3BeZkTeIwPUk= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=79FouHR_6ZAA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=5ErB8qo7soTm98HfX3wA:9 a=mntcbP5NbxjoiC_ll4Vc-gcVQkUA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:39739] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id FA/9D-11439-AF04B8D4; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:02:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5218917B40 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:02:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:02:42 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201103240902.45209.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1254 On Thursday 24 March 2011 08:11:50 ranoritc wrote: > go'i .i uinaiku'i zo ti fanza zoi gy this thing gy na roroi soi .i > la'e zoi gy CLL gy cusku zoi gy The cmavo ``ti'', ``ta'', and ``tu'' > provide only the pointing function of ``this'' and ``that''; they are > not used to refer to things that cannot be pointed at. gy .i la'e de'u > simsa lonu cusku bau glibau zoi gy this object composed on my Android > gy Do you mean "fanza" or "fanva"? Neither makes sense: you can't annoy character strings, and words can't translate. > PS note: Does "na soi" or even riskier "na roroi soi" work? "soi" followed by two sumti means that the sentence remains true when the two sumti are exchanged. "soi" followed by one sumti is grammatical, but I don't know what it means. "soi" without a sumti following is ungrammatical. Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.