Received: from mail-yi0-f61.google.com ([209.85.218.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pug0L-0002D2-7B; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:57:53 -0800 Received: by yic21 with SMTP id 21sf4576649yic.16 for ; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:57:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :x-google-group-id:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=3uO82F7lAZOO5sy1RRvnAPiLbNQe2qkTNvvOsHSpsdQ=; b=dsDQVLEWS2rME96WZeO7d6fsEIv+x/DM8vf/qghHgeh7U9gAjLPvihjfI9uJjibR7d S/q/J89mdD0PV4YOfnsGOOAPyn8S2LamyQ8wEdoZt/M2K68B08XjoxP7ag3/b7gv5YDD LJi7ZuhY1i/GAjNVfXphqc7EmyOY0DFIhlhVQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=epNqE3hkQOwhR208ozoNI1NmG4q0gyqzxF7+h5uIo+sW2x4AZTIsi0pUsI0aQ2AM+V 9+obLTZZYiToEH6xEH4EjBNR9AQ/91KW59Cy0T/Rck5ItZvESu0CrPMbx3UPI2hJs3WD SMKR5v0gWVyqbBdmkw4MyNRfSDgsA88haTV9c= Received: by 10.150.200.3 with SMTP id x3mr1105681ybf.29.1299048981902; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:56:21 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.57.97 with SMTP id b33ls834311ibh.0.p; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.16.131 with SMTP id o3mr2430522iba.18.1299048981293; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.16.131 with SMTP id o3mr2430521iba.18.1299048981261; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iw0-f174.google.com (mail-iw0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m30si1265615ibu.6.2011.03.01.22.56.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.174; Received: by mail-iw0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 34so4851415iwn.19 for ; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:56:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.174.199 with SMTP id w7mr7697387icz.129.1299048981098; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 22:56:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.199.141 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 22:56:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <42f9eaf8-897b-499c-89b3-9bef2a378c9f@m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com> References: <42f9eaf8-897b-499c-89b3-9bef2a378c9f@m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com> From: Luke Bergen Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 01:56:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] question about soi and go'i To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Google-Group-Id: 94518172 Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8e1010707c049d7a6935 Content-Length: 5110 --90e6ba6e8e1010707c049d7a6935 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 {soi} seems to have largely fallen out of use. If you wanted to ask that question after someone has said {mi viska lo nanmu}... with soi, I think you could do {.i xu go'i soi do} which expands to {xu do viska lo nanmu soi do} which I think does what you want. Or you can just say {.i xu ji'a ny viska do}. Also, while I love the construct, I haven't seen a lot of vo'a and friends around. I hope to see them more though, they seem awfully useful. Although, I'm not 100% sure what the difference is between {vo'a} and {lo go'i}. On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:05 PM, zegma wrote: > coi rodo > I am a beginner lojbanist, i've read the seventh chapter of Lojban > Reference Grammar about pro-bridi and pro-sumti and there is something > I don't understand about "soi" ; > if I want to question the reciprocity of the previous utterance of my > interlocutor, can I use "soi"? > If I use soi this way, I have to use go'i to pick up the previous > bridi, then a new question arise ; should I use pro-sumti like "ri" > with soi, or does reflexive pro-sumti of the vo'a serie apply? > > For exemple, if my interlocutor said "mi viska le nanmu" > if I want to ask "is it reciprocal?" > should I say something like "xu go'i ra'o soi vo'a vo'e" ? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --90e6ba6e8e1010707c049d7a6935 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable {soi} seems to have largely fallen out of use.

If you wa= nted to ask that question after someone has said {mi viska lo nanmu}...

with soi, I think you could do {.i xu go'i soi do= } which expands to {xu do viska lo nanmu soi do} which I think does what yo= u want.

Or you can just say {.i xu ji'a ny viska do}. =A0Al= so, while I love the construct, I haven't seen a lot of vo'a and fr= iends around. =A0I hope to see them more though, they seem awfully useful.<= /div>

Although, I'm not 100% sure what the difference is = between {vo'a} and {lo go'i}.

On = Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:05 PM, zegma <hardquannone@hotmail.fr> wrote:
coi rodo
I am a beginner lojbanist, i've read the seventh chapter of Lojban
Reference Grammar about pro-bridi and pro-sumti and there is something
I don't understand about "soi" ;
if I want to question the reciprocity of the previous utterance of my
interlocutor, can I use "soi"?
If I use soi this way, I have to use go'i to pick up the previous
bridi, then a new question arise ; should I use pro-sumti like "ri&quo= t;
with soi, or does reflexive pro-sumti of the vo'a serie apply?

For exemple, if my interlocutor said "mi viska le nanmu"
if I want to ask "is it reciprocal?"
should I say something like "xu go'i ra'o soi vo'a vo'= e" ?

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