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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Google-Group-Id: 94518172 Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00032557335a5f989b049d7b5630 Content-Length: 18264 --00032557335a5f989b049d7b5630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Ross Ogilvie wrote: > lu faxipafe'ino li'u u'icai > .uicai zo'o I am amazed at your level of hatred. > As to your earlier crazy indexing, I would interpret faxini'upa as being > the last place in a bridi. I think it is python that uses negative indices > to count from the end of an array. > That seems really useful. {zo fai mintu lu faxini'upa li'u seki'u mu'a lodu'u lu mi klama fu lo karce li'u mintu lu mi klama fai lo karce} > Ross > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> haha, I hate jai. The tagged version of it confuses the crap out of me >> and I don't see it often enough to really learn it for good. In light of >> that I'm changing my proposal to: Let fai = {faxipafe'ino} >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>> >>>> haha, I don't know why {fai} would get the special privilege of being >>>> {faxixa}. Why shouldn't that honor go to {bai}? >>> >>> >>> {by. na mintu fy.} >>> >>> >>>> Also, since there are lujvo with 6 places and more, wouldn't you want >>>> to call fai something that won't change. How about {faxini'upa} or >>>> something ;) >>>> >>> >>> Wow, the first step into the nether realm. You must not much like {jai} >>> if you imagine shoving it through Vortex Zero. :) >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>>> >>>>> Based on my understanding of the definitions, it seems reasonable to me >>>>> that {fai} can easily be considered to be {faxixa}. It even has zo'o the >>>>> right letters. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> actually I've seen usage like {se nelci mi fai do} which I *think* is >>>>>> supposed to mean something like {do jai se nelci mi} >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday 01 March 2011 16:30:03 Jonathan Jones wrote: >>>>>>> > I didn't know about the SExiPA method. It's interesting, but I >>>>>>> think I'll >>>>>>> > stick with FAxiPA on the rare occasions when it matters. :) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > What about {fai}? Is it applicable in these situations? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, {fai} is meaningful only when {jai} is also present. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pierre >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>>> >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi >>>>> patfu do zo'o >>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu >>> do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Ross Ogilvie <oges007@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
lu faxipafe'ino li'u u'icai

.uicai zo&= #39;o I am amazed at your level of hatred.
=A0
As to your earlier crazy indexing, I would interpret faxini'upa as bein= g the last place in a bridi. I think it is python that uses negative indice= s to count from the end of an array.

That seems re= ally useful. {zo fai mintu lu faxini'upa li'u seki'u mu'a l= odu'u lu mi klama fu lo karce li'u mintu lu mi klama fai lo karce}<= br> =A0
Ross


On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.co= m> wrote:
haha, I hate jai. =A0The tagged version of it confuses the crap out of me a= nd I don't see it often enough to really learn it for good. =A0In light= of that I'm changing my proposal to: Let fai =3D {faxipafe'ino}


On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Luke Berge= n <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
haha, I don't know why {fai} would get the special=A0privilege of being= {faxixa}. =A0Why shouldn't that honor go to {bai}?
=

{by. na mintu fy.}
=A0
=A0Also, since there are lujvo with 6 places and more, wouldn't you wan= t to call fai something that won't change. =A0How about {faxini'upa= } or something ;)

Wow, the first step into t= he nether realm. You must not much like {jai} if you imagine shoving it thr= ough Vortex Zero. :)

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:15= AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
<= /div>
Based on my understanding of the definitions, it seems reasonable to me tha= t {fai} can easily be considered to be {faxixa}. It even has zo'o the r= ight letters.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
=
actually I've seen usage like {se nelci mi fai do} whic= h I think=A0is supposed to mean something like {do jai se nelci mi}<= /div>


On = Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday 0= 1 March 2011 16:30:03 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> I didn't know about the SExiPA method. It's interesting, but I= think I'll
> stick with FAxiPA on the rare occasions when it matters. :)
>
> What about {fai}? Is it applicable in these situations?

No, {fai} is meaningful only when {jai} is also present.

Pierre
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