Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pupgw-00027p-Ci; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 09:18:29 -0800 Received: by fxm10 with SMTP id 10sf87864fxm.16 for ; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 09:18:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :x-google-group-id:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=HAlrM4Bzh6fzaKWsxRdLSKocvBirwRYjh3bseNFLw3g=; b=QqIRyQ0roePH/AmQ2E0QlOdozOnHZOipQAZXJaNpZ95Eqc0YXlSHM6+gE2SXyQ3B2/ Y2S2CzMMV+Fy4GQpjpLwz7wqtf/HCdeP0xbc9PiFI6JsE8epJhQbQzQlkeGLfKTkRLsQ hIIAwD84ZTwaVS2eiiVmgSOBUsg6C4wXaRe54= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=3p6Ukz18C53zaz13TBOgUMDh5U3hqua5mYH0Q2KEprCDUE8hB2gmZoPCN1dUWLqX1o a/pq3D3hvcGO2x3bH0RXtEMUEN8gP9g0XDyoRLWiwSNVIRp7YAQrafCJ+5fC+wo5u3Nr jjU4xrh3fU305dEv1IlapCXTQKIFC6DKnt3cY= Received: by 10.223.117.1 with SMTP id o1mr35807faq.16.1299086291919; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 09:18:11 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.15.10 with SMTP id i10ls29982faa.1.p; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 09:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.77.89 with SMTP id f25mr23812fak.20.1299086291126; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 09:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.77.89 with SMTP id f25mr23811fak.20.1299086291102; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 09:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a26si13524faa.8.2011.03.02.09.18.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Mar 2011 09:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.54; Received: by mail-fx0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 19so236875fxm.13 for ; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 09:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.87.80 with SMTP id v16mr124243fal.128.1299086290111; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 09:18:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.164.34 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 09:17:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <42203.39972.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <9b728267-66e5-4514-8a4c-861c0ca64c93@u12g2000vbf.googlegroups.com> <25cff610-39f6-43e1-b2a3-5124eb438bbd@d12g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> <390805.67000.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <42203.39972.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: Oren Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:17:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Words for Politics and Economics To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: get.oren@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=get.oren@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba3092eedace12049d8318c7 Content-Length: 4396 --90e6ba3092eedace12049d8318c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ta'onai Totus, did my concept of separating policies, political theory, and political parties speak to your concern about interpreting history versus naming? I think maybe another aspect I left out might be the case of describing a political system, such as saying "China's government is communist." This would be yet another word sense for "Politics," something like a { turni ciste }, and I think naming a system of government should probably be a matter of attributive nomenclature. For example - "America is a democracy" is not as good as "America's government is a constitutional democratic federalist republic." Likewise, - "China is communist" is probably better as "China's government is a constitutional single-party socialist republic" I would think that in both the above cases, the main bridi (a republic) would be something like { gubni flalu turni ciste } "a government system based on public laws." Note the contrast in describing these systems { turni ciste } as opposed to theoretical communism/democracy/libertarianism and the like, which might be { turni saske } or { turni sidbo }. ...not sure, from the ideas I've laid out here, how one would go about lujvo formation? Better yet, how would one explicitly say these concepts using exclusively the constituent gismu? ta'o Also, I just tried to translate the menu into Chinese, but all I can figure out how to do is change the name of a particular menu item for all languages. Help? co'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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ta'onai

Totus, did my concept= of separating policies, political theory, and political parties speak to y= our concern about interpreting history versus naming?=A0

I think maybe another aspect I left out might be the case of describing a p= olitical system, such as saying "China's government is communist.&= quot; This would be yet another word sense for "Politics," someth= ing like a { turni ciste }, and I think naming a system of government shoul= d probably be a matter of attributive nomenclature.=A0

For example=A0
  • "America is a democrac= y" is not as good as "America's government is a constitutiona= l democratic federalist republic."

    Likewise,

  • "China is communist" is probably better as "China's gove= rnment is a constitutional single-party socialist republic"
<= div>I would think that in both the above cases, the main bridi (a republic)= would be something like { gubni flalu turni ciste } "a government sys= tem based on public laws."

Note the contrast in describing these systems { turni c= iste } as opposed to theoretical communism/democracy/libertarianism and the= like, which might be { turni saske } or { turni sidbo }.

...not sure, from the ideas I've laid out here, how one woul= d go about lujvo formation? Better yet, how would one explicitly say these = concepts using exclusively the constituent gismu?

ta'o

Also, I just tried to translate the menu = into Chinese, but all I can figure out how to do is change the name of a pa= rticular menu item for all languages. Help?

co'= ;o

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