Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Puw33-0006qp-Lu; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:05:46 -0800 Received: by pwi1 with SMTP id 1sf81628pwi.16 for ; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:05:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :x-google-group-id:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7121ojmWAzuvSgLySCzmCPWqcjBu+vZ9ksizlJGJtTQ=; b=qIUdvVO/IFQ74D/HQ2KiVpXktDxcuDlGonADyELUVPC9sGEKhyIuuxzQcb6xoahG7N eHy8kbswL1Gn4TO74QYKpBk47vnAvtpv43tDYoFjqi/P+7I1+h2ekeyvS6m0Y9FOrQ7h BADuxywVQkZE5uYxGH3+EmEIbRJAnaW+Z8pNM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:x-google-group-id:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=GI32jOu8WOetmhxqpC38y117Zztj/Lt0Nf+pbD0bJWUj6t9yJ9HY2taSeaHXxxH/BP NRAdjHPaQ4I7DC2yUP4h+jOPPU40Srbpqv65ckL1CDYI7PM1P6HaKeRMtbyUGiu3TxAy deXbZ3aroxkbC8he+gs6CflUPr8CdZOrK350c= Received: by 10.142.199.18 with SMTP id w18mr36982wff.44.1299110727887; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:05:27 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.143.178.9 with SMTP id f9ls306046wfp.0.p; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:05:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.199.16 with SMTP id w16mr39807wff.67.1299110726841; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:05:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.199.16 with SMTP id w16mr39806wff.67.1299110726796; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:05:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x35si413386wfd.4.2011.03.02.16.05.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:05:26 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.41; Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so108502pzk.14 for ; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:05:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.185.17 with SMTP id i17mr267356wff.353.1299110726620; Wed, 02 Mar 2011 16:05:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.149.15 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:05:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <42f9eaf8-897b-499c-89b3-9bef2a378c9f@m7g2000vbq.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 19:05:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] question about soi and go'i From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2de7462577b049d88c94e Content-Length: 7242 --000e0cd2de7462577b049d88c94e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 vo'a is in the same sentence; go'i is in the previous sentence. They're completely unrelated. I'm not sure what each of {vo'a}, {lo nei}, and {lo no'a} do, however. mu'o mi'e .latros. On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 1:56 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > {soi} seems to have largely fallen out of use. > > If you wanted to ask that question after someone has said {mi viska lo > nanmu}... > > with soi, I think you could do {.i xu go'i soi do} which expands to {xu do > viska lo nanmu soi do} which I think does what you want. > > Or you can just say {.i xu ji'a ny viska do}. Also, while I love the > construct, I haven't seen a lot of vo'a and friends around. I hope to see > them more though, they seem awfully useful. > > Although, I'm not 100% sure what the difference is between {vo'a} and {lo > go'i}. > > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:05 PM, zegma wrote: > >> coi rodo >> I am a beginner lojbanist, i've read the seventh chapter of Lojban >> Reference Grammar about pro-bridi and pro-sumti and there is something >> I don't understand about "soi" ; >> if I want to question the reciprocity of the previous utterance of my >> interlocutor, can I use "soi"? >> If I use soi this way, I have to use go'i to pick up the previous >> bridi, then a new question arise ; should I use pro-sumti like "ri" >> with soi, or does reflexive pro-sumti of the vo'a serie apply? >> >> For exemple, if my interlocutor said "mi viska le nanmu" >> if I want to ask "is it reciprocal?" >> should I say something like "xu go'i ra'o soi vo'a vo'e" ? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --000e0cd2de7462577b049d88c94e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable vo'a is in the same sentence; go'i is in the previous sentence. The= y're completely unrelated. I'm not sure what each of {vo'a}, {l= o nei}, and {lo no'a} do, however.

mu'o mi'e .latros.
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 1:56 AM, Luke Bergen = <lukeabergen@= gmail.com> wrote:
{soi} seems to have largely fallen out of use.

If you wa= nted to ask that question after someone has said {mi viska lo nanmu}...

with soi, I think you could do {.i xu go'i soi do= } which expands to {xu do viska lo nanmu soi do} which I think does what yo= u want.

Or you can just say {.i xu ji'a ny viska do}. =A0Al= so, while I love the construct, I haven't seen a lot of vo'a and fr= iends around. =A0I hope to see them more though, they seem awfully useful.<= /div>

Although, I'm not 100% sure what the difference is = between {vo'a} and {lo go'i}.

=
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:05 PM, zegma <hardquannone@hotmail.fr> wrote:
coi rodo
I am a beginner lojbanist, i've read the seventh chapter of Lojban
Reference Grammar about pro-bridi and pro-sumti and there is something
I don't understand about "soi" ;
if I want to question the reciprocity of the previous utterance of my
interlocutor, can I use "soi"?
If I use soi this way, I have to use go'i to pick up the previous
bridi, then a new question arise ; should I use pro-sumti like "ri&quo= t;
with soi, or does reflexive pro-sumti of the vo'a serie apply?

For exemple, if my interlocutor said "mi viska le nanmu"
if I want to ask "is it reciprocal?"
should I say something like "xu go'i ra'o soi vo'a vo'= e" ?

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