"nei" refers to the current bridi.=A0 "no&#= 39;a" to the bridi immediately enclosing this bridi.=A0 "vo'a= " refers to the outermost bridi (if you wish to think of it this, way,= as the one between two ".i"s)=A0 So if I say "mi djuno lo d= u'u do nelci lo nu la djein prami _____",
if I fill in the blank with "vo'a" it means "I know that= you like Jane loving me";
with "lo no'a", "I k= now that you like Jane loving you";
with "lo nei", "= ;I know that you like Jane loving herself"

Clearer?
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

(That is, precise= ly; I know what {vo'a} does, but not how that differs from the other tw= o.)

On Wed, Mar= 2, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

vo'a is in th= e same sentence; go'i is in the previous sentence. They're complete= ly unrelated. I'm not sure what each of {vo'a}, {lo nei}, and {lo n= o'a} do, however.

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 1:56 AM, Luke Be= rgen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

{soi} seems to have largely fallen out of use.

If you wa= nted to ask that question after someone has said {mi viska lo nanmu}...

with soi, I think you could do {.i xu go'i soi do= } which expands to {xu do viska lo nanmu soi do} which I think does what yo= u want.

Or you can just say {.i xu ji'a ny viska do}. =A0Al= so, while I love the construct, I haven't seen a lot of vo'a and fr= iends around. =A0I hope to see them more though, they seem awfully useful.<= /div>

Although, I'm not 100% sure what the difference is = between {vo'a} and {lo go'i}.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:05 PM, zegma &= lt;hardquannon= e@hotmail.fr> wrote:

coi rodo
I am a beginner lojbanist, i've read the seventh chapter of Lojban
Reference Grammar about pro-bridi and pro-sumti and there is something
I don't understand about "soi" ;
if I want to question the reciprocity of the previous utterance of my
interlocutor, can I use "soi"?
If I use soi this way, I have to use go'i to pick up the previous
bridi, then a new question arise ; should I use pro-sumti like "ri&quo= t;
with soi, or does reflexive pro-sumti of the vo'a serie apply?

For exemple, if my interlocutor said "mi viska le nanmu"
if I want to ask "is it reciprocal?"
should I say something like "xu go'i ra'o soi vo'a vo'= e" ?

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