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Does "mi jinvi lo du'u no'a ra'o " -> "I think that you think that I think
that...."?
     --gejyspa


On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why is {no'a ra'o} not silly?
>
>
> mu'o mi'e .latros.
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday 03 March 2011 07:16:59 Michael Turniansky wrote:
>> > "nei" refers to the current bridi.  "no'a" to the bridi immediately
>> > enclosing this bridi.  "vo'a" refers to the outermost bridi (if you wish
>> to
>> > think of it this, way, as the one between two ".i"s)  So if I say "mi
>> djuno
>> > lo du'u do nelci lo nu la djein prami _____",
>> > if I fill in the blank with "vo'a" it means "I know that you like Jane
>> > loving me";
>> > with "lo no'a", "I know that you like Jane loving you";
>> > with "lo nei", "I know that you like Jane loving herself"
>>
>> The most general of these is "no'a", which can have a subscript indicating
>> how
>> many times one steps outside one bridi, and can be preceded by SE (itself
>> subscriptable, which can be used if a selbri has more than five places),
>> which swaps bridi places. So "mi djuno lo du'u do necli lo nu la djein
>> prami
>> lo se no'a xi no". Both "no'a" and "nei" can be followed by "ra'o",
>> though "nei ra'o" is silly.
>>
>> Pierre
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Does &quot;mi jinvi lo du&#39;u no&#39;a ra&#39;o &quot; -=
&gt; &quot;I think that you think that I think that....&quot;?<br>=A0=A0=A0=
=A0 --gejyspa<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at =
11:15 AM, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@=
gmail.com">blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Why is {no&#39;a =
ra&#39;o} not silly?<div class=3D"im"><br><br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .latros.<br=
><br>
</div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, =
Mar 3, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:phma@phma.optus.nu" target=3D"_blank">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div>On Thursday =
03 March 2011 07:16:59 Michael Turniansky wrote:<br>
&gt; &quot;nei&quot; refers to the current bridi. =A0&quot;no&#39;a&quot; t=
o the bridi immediately<br>
&gt; enclosing this bridi. =A0&quot;vo&#39;a&quot; refers to the outermost =
bridi (if you wish to<br>
&gt; think of it this, way, as the one between two &quot;.i&quot;s) =A0So i=
f I say &quot;mi djuno<br>
&gt; lo du&#39;u do nelci lo nu la djein prami _____&quot;,<br>
&gt; if I fill in the blank with &quot;vo&#39;a&quot; it means &quot;I know=
 that you like Jane<br>
&gt; loving me&quot;;<br>
&gt; with &quot;lo no&#39;a&quot;, &quot;I know that you like Jane loving y=
ou&quot;;<br>
&gt; with &quot;lo nei&quot;, &quot;I know that you like Jane loving hersel=
f&quot;<br>
<br>
</div>The most general of these is &quot;no&#39;a&quot;, which can have a s=
ubscript indicating how<br>
many times one steps outside one bridi, and can be preceded by SE (itself<b=
r>
subscriptable, which can be used if a selbri has more than five places),<br=
>
which swaps bridi places. So &quot;mi djuno lo du&#39;u do necli lo nu la d=
jein prami<br>
lo se no&#39;a xi no&quot;. Both &quot;no&#39;a&quot; and &quot;nei&quot; c=
an be followed by &quot;ra&#39;o&quot;,<br>
though &quot;nei ra&#39;o&quot; is silly.<br>
<br>
Pierre<br>
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