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@Jonathan Jones:

I wasn't as clear as I could be. What I was trying to say is that an
observational might be the best alternative for a tricky or comparatively
specific (or possibly culturally specific) phrase.

Functionally, what is "being said" when someone says "Brr?" They're
observing it's cold. Maybe they mean they want mittens or to go somewhere
warmer, but we're pretty sure that at least they think it's cold.

Functionally, what is "being said" when someone says "Bless you?" They're
observing you've sneezed. Maybe they mean they are commanding you to be
healthy, but we're pretty sure that at least they think you've sneezed.

That's my rationale for translating "Brr" as { lenku } and "Bless you" as {
senci }, respectively.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 17:42, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In Chinese, you don't say anything in response to a sneeze.
>>
>> bi'u
>>
>> Before I really knew what 'bless you' and 'gesundheit' were really
>> expressing (that i'm wishing they were healthier), I just thought it was a
>> polite way of acknowledging a sneeze occured. Maybe one translation could be
>> { senci } (Sneeze).
>>
>> bi'unai
>>
>> If a Chinese person hears { ko kanro }, I imagine they'd call malglico (or
>> rather, malropno) foul.
>>
>
> I'm calling B.S. on that. Just because one culture doesn't have a practice
> doesn't make that practice mabla.
>
>
>> One similar situation might be for the english expression "Brrr," for
>> which (likewise) there is no Chinese equivalent. One translation of 'brr'
>> into lojban that might make sense to a Chinese speaker is { lenku } (Cold).
>>
>
> Maybe, except that "Brrr...." isn't a bridi, it's an attitudinal. (Or at
> least, the English equivalent.)
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu
> do zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
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<div dir=3D"ltr">@<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; c=
harset=3Dutf-8">Jonathan Jones:<div><br></div><div>I wasn&#39;t as clear as=
 I could be. What I was trying to say is that an observational might be the=
 best alternative for a tricky or comparatively specific (or possibly cultu=
rally specific) phrase.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Functionally, what is &quot;being said&quot; when someo=
ne says &quot;Brr?&quot; They&#39;re observing it&#39;s cold. Maybe they me=
an they want mittens or to go somewhere warmer, but we&#39;re pretty sure t=
hat at least they think it&#39;s cold.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Functionally, what is &quot;being said&quot; when someo=
ne says &quot;Bless you?&quot; They&#39;re observing you&#39;ve sneezed.=A0=
Maybe they mean they are commanding you to be healthy, but we&#39;re pretty=
 sure that at least they think you&#39;ve sneezed.</div>

<div><br></div><div>That&#39;s my rationale for translating &quot;Brr&quot;=
 as { lenku } and &quot;Bless you&quot; as { senci }, respectively.</div><d=
iv><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 17:42, Jonathan J=
ones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"im">On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 3=
:25 PM, Oren <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:get.oren@gmail.com" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">get.oren@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">In Chinese, you don&#39;t say anything in response to a sn=
eeze.<div><br></div><div>bi&#39;u</div><div><br></div><div>Before I really =
knew what &#39;bless you&#39; and &#39;gesundheit&#39; were really expressi=
ng (that i&#39;m wishing they were healthier), I just thought it was a poli=
te way of acknowledging a sneeze occured. Maybe one translation could be { =
senci } (Sneeze).</div>




<div><br></div><div>bi&#39;unai</div><div><br></div><div>If a Chinese perso=
n hears { ko kanro }, I imagine they&#39;d call malglico (or rather, malrop=
no) foul.</div></div></blockquote></div><div><br>I&#39;m calling B.S. on th=
at. Just because one culture doesn&#39;t have a practice doesn&#39;t make t=
hat practice mabla.<br>


=A0</div><div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1=
ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div></div><div>One similar situation might be for the=
 english expression &quot;Brrr,&quot; for which (likewise) there is no Chin=
ese equivalent. One translation of &#39;brr&#39; into lojban that might mak=
e sense to a Chinese speaker is { lenku } (Cold).</div>


</div></blockquote></div></div><br>Maybe, except that &quot;Brrr....&quot; =
isn&#39;t a bridi, it&#39;s an attitudinal. (Or at least, the English equiv=
alent.)<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#3=
9;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br>

<br>.i.a&#39;o.e&#39;e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk=
. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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