Received: from mail-yi0-f61.google.com ([209.85.218.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q4tad-0001sN-Gm; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:29:34 -0700 Received: by yie19 with SMTP id 19sf2708829yie.16 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:29:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:x-ip:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eT5f2Raj1jYzV5TBLxnEW1sjBwLHrQE2bi4X01o+uW0=; b=haVRgxhOGN9W0F6AiPyz1uiIaRTQOOG6OO3bsohi1JWVkJcVA+RZFiLzRjktOLSYBG pDNS0Jm1FalGA94PSE17HhWZvKeoDSIFfOFffRK2t8L4XZfGse/DQs6VBlgIqPCd+PKV 2RiBLb5wDc9PxJGB1TUUY+lTeAik/s4fBeUck= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:x-ip:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=d5K3pN0EoofvL69ds4cg5ufMD+LutWzw5MJbg4LG+NBJWWoo4F4FVJaOJ1zQUheSV1 Sw83rck7Fu14Zui9bOzPnkgU6utLN+LsvJCHw2xpsUgi/d/nzgjiEwVqFGolld7g70WB scvqBGpLP5E+rpD6VfHvoAQDfKZ+oHeCkKOXg= Received: by 10.91.66.30 with SMTP id t30mr245493agk.4.1301484554976; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:29:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.69.38 with SMTP id w38ls1080198ybk.7.p; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.59.14 with SMTP id m14mr345632ybk.34.1301484554112; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:29:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.42.39 with SMTP id p39mr217482agp.37.1301474086012; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 18g2000prd.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 01:34:45 -0700 (PDT) X-IP: 125.25.86.86 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Opera/9.80 (X11; Linux i686; U; en) Presto/2.8.119 Version/11.10,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <90c2d5f7-a821-4aa9-8a57-1b3e96d2b0e0@18g2000prd.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Thoughts on the website and resources From: "red&white" To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: redandwhitestripes@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 2729 Hi everyone, I=92ve now been studying Lojban for about ten days. I=92ve enjoyed it, found lots of useful resources and lots of friendly and helpful people. I=92d like to share my humble ideas about what I think might help attract more Lojban students. The front website is very helpful but I noticed that a lot of the resources are disjointed and many are outdated. For example, the audio section has lots of links, some are now dead or unavailable. Perhaps it would be best to centralise all the links and clear up the dead links? The website also might be a bit confusing and offputting to newcomers, partly because many of the links are so old - I don=92t know about others but to me a site with lots of old links is a =91dead=92 site - and partly because some resources are a little esoteric. For example, the link to the =93phrase=94 sheet has a few jokes, an unclear layout and what appears to be people talking to each other in page editing. I know this was done by people with all good intentions but perhaps to a casual browser, it=92s offputting? In my humble opinion, what would would really help the Lojban cause would be to (as mentioned) update and centralise links and resources and also to change the layout of the website. Perhaps what would work would be to combine the excellent introduction page and book with sections, perhaps a section for beginners, intermediates and advanced students. Also, as a teacher myself, I was sad to see some very promising projects that seem to have dropped off. The Lojban podcast was in my opinion an excellent idea, but that=92s now dead. Lojban blogs, more videos such as the excellent =93Learn Lojban vocabulary" youtube videos posted by NegativeClock, and more audio resources for students would make for excellent publicity and resources. I understand that it=92s necessary to have extensive grammar resources, but I also feel listening and speaking focus is equally vital. I=92m focusing on these things because I=92ve enjoyed my short time learning so much and would love to see the Lojban project advance. Perhaps when I become better I can offer some podcats or Lojban blogs myself. I hope I=92ve posted this in the right and best place. Please feel free to forward it to anyone. Thanks for everyone=92s hard work and assistance. I look forward to communicating in Lojban soon. Greg --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.