Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QAavw-0004Lo-Co; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:47:09 -0700 Received: by fxm14 with SMTP id 14sf1966133fxm.16 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:46:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=uTyJghKquQnHkJFFtPhJ/HBky9XGAJgF6CK/e4MZgWg=; b=DSOFDFgWqv7ZvZJ1Q+xuFBvjutZzae9cMQsjPx1g7n8o5ZVsJXCOYBxbuOkWHLnvIA yFynmSB/o7n0IUSkp9vuYSOSoNWRKVa3AHxJxaooAdZkCN2sahj1P4L4c/ReGtS2hxJ4 QJ4nJ/YqMKWAyT2f6jtSaw5CBpXWoNpJlgJQY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=judu5VGQW0A07cbbrP2ts8mKdXP+OWwzjL4gsPo6A1Zn6UTtfQPDqwi1EH6MzSfQwb mpeCTkqCKAKRv2+KCmiR9Dtb7G+N0ANB9m7zlb/gW0plXe84tbrpHt9D3Nnntqf2xWqO QTUN2iWXt6WCsxuBSqcWBYiEzecgXBU+VDbCI= Received: by 10.223.145.17 with SMTP id b17mr317925fav.39.1302842810635; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:46:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.14.200 with SMTP id h8ls55498bka.3.gmail; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.46.99 with SMTP id i35mr162526bkf.9.1302842808996; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.46.99 with SMTP id i35mr162525bkf.9.1302842808941; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j10si381856bka.4.2011.04.14.21.46.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of pretoriusjf@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.47; Received: by mail-fx0-f47.google.com with SMTP id 19so2861336fxm.34 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:46:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.14.207 with SMTP id h15mr763311faa.50.1302842808672; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.32.77 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:46:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <763760.31474.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20110414154715.GC19800@alice.local> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 00:46:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Programming in lojbanistan From: Johan Pretorius To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: pretoriusjf@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pretoriusjf@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=pretoriusjf@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174485accf207f04a0edbad8 Content-Length: 18315 --0015174485accf207f04a0edbad8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 More to add to the list: object (as being an instance of a class) polymorphism extends (the java keyword) inherits throw (an exception) runtime dependency build source code byte code virtual (I'm a Java dev, can you tell? :-) ) On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:41 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >> >>> Some others: >>> try >>> string >>> less than >>> greater than >>> function >>> method >>> class >>> field >>> return >>> static >>> private >>> public >>> (and finally, the one that will probably generate the most jbodau), >>> if/elseif/else >>> >> >> The "if" of programming languages isn't the same as the "if" of natlangs. >> For one thing, programming "if" has exactly one meaning, the logical >> meaning. The only debate is which of go, gu'o, ganai, and gu'anai is the >> best to use. I'm pretty sure go is it. {go xy. mecla li mu go xy snicne >> .ybu} "if (x<5) then x=y" >> > > Okay, I got it backwards. I should've said ganai. Also, I misspelled mleca. > So, instead: {ganai xy. mleca li mu gi xy. snicne .ybu} > > >> Don't know how to do else, though. >> >> >>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Johan Pretorius < >>> pretoriusjf@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> So to get practical, lets start making a list of the words that are >>>> meant, and see if there are some translations: >>>> >>>> Variable >>>> While Loop >>>> For Loop >>>> Bit >>>> Byte >>>> Boolean >>>> Binary >>>> Binary Arithmetic >>>> Bitwise >>>> Array >>>> Integer >>>> Floating point value (float, for short) >>>> recursion >>>> Infinite loop >>>> Infinite recursion >>>> Exception >>>> Catch block >>>> Static initializer >>>> Constructor (zbasu?) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:47 AM, .alyn.post. < >>>> alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That is almost but not quite programming terminology. I found that >>>>> document useful and necessary but incomplete when trying to write >>>>> programs with Lojban variable names. There is a distinct set of >>>>> terms that apply to programming that don't apply to using one's >>>>> computer. >>>>> >>>>> -Alan >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 08:28:37AM -0700, A. Piekarski wrote: >>>>> > There's probably more somewhere, but have you seen this: >>>>> > [1]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Computer+terminology >>>>> > >>>>> > totus >>>>> > >>>>> > From: .arpis. >>>>> > To: Lojban Beginners >>>>> > Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 11:03:28 AM >>>>> > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Programming in lojbanistan >>>>> > I can't imagine this hasn't been discussed, but I haven't found >>>>> any >>>>> > resources about the lojban terms that would be used to talk >>>>> about >>>>> > programming (and what variables/keywords/etc should be). >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > mu'o mi'e .arpis. >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google >>>>> > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> > "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>> > >>>>> > References >>>>> > >>>>> > Visible links >>>>> > 1. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Computer+terminology >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> .i ma'a lo bradi ku penmi gi'e du >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Johan Pretorius >>>> Cell: 0829268327 >>>> pretoriusjf@gmail.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu >> do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- Johan Pretorius Cell: 0829268327 pretoriusjf@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0015174485accf207f04a0edbad8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable More to add to the list:

object (as being an instance of a class)polymorphism
extends (the java keyword)
inherits
throw (an except= ion)
runtime
dependency
build
source code
byte code
virtu= al

(I'm a Java dev, can you tell? :-) )



On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:41 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:


On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.= com> wrote:


On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Lu= ke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
Some others:
try
string
less than
<= div>greater than
function
method
class
<= div>field
return
static
private
public
(and finally, the one that will probably generate the most jbodau= ), if/elseif/else

The "if" of pr= ogramming languages isn't the same as the "if" of natlangs. F= or one thing, programming "if" has exactly one meaning, the logic= al meaning. The only debate is which of go, gu'o, ganai, and gu'ana= i is the best to use. I'm pretty sure go is it. {go xy. mecla li mu go = xy snicne .ybu} "if (x<5) then x=3Dy"

Okay, I got it backwards. I should&= #39;ve said ganai. Also, I misspelled mleca. So, instead: {ganai xy. mleca = li mu gi xy. snicne .ybu}
=A0
Don't know how to do else, though.
=A0
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Johan Pretorius <pretoriusjf@gmail.c= om> wrote:
So to get practical, lets start making a lis= t of the words that are meant, and see if there are some translations:

Variable
While Loop
For Loop
Bit
Byte
Boolean
Binary<= br>Binary Arithmetic
Bitwise
Array
Integer
Floating point value (float, for short)
recursionInfinite loop
Infinite recursion
Exception
Catch block
Static = initializer
Constructor (zbasu?)




On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:47 AM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodo= ckikumazvati.org> wrote:
That is almost but not quite programming terminology.=A0 I found that
document useful and necessary but incomplete when trying to write
programs with Lojban variable names. =A0There is a distinct set of
terms that apply to programming that don't apply to using one's
computer.

-Alan

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 08:28:37AM -0700, A. Piekarski wrote:
> =A0 =A0There's probably more somewhere, but have you seen this:
> =A0 =A0[1]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Computer+terminology=
>
> =A0 =A0totus
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0From: .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>
> =A0 =A0 =A0To: Lojban Beginners <lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com&= gt;
> =A0 =A0 =A0Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 11:03:28 AM
> =A0 =A0 =A0Subject: [lojban-beginners] Programming in lojbanistan
> =A0 =A0 =A0I can't imagine this hasn't been discussed, but I h= aven't found any
> =A0 =A0 =A0resources about the lojban terms that would be used to talk= about
> =A0 =A0 =A0programming (and what variables/keywords/etc should be). >
> =A0 =A0 =A0--
> =A0 =A0 =A0mu'o mi'e .arpis.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0--
> =A0 =A0 =A0You received this message because you are subscribed to the= Google
> =A0 =A0 =A0Groups "Lojban Beginners" group.
> =A0 =A0 =A0To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegro= ups.com.
> =A0 =A0 =A0To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> =A0 =A0 =A0lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com= .
> =A0 =A0 =A0For more options, visit this group at
> =A0 =A0 =A0http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?= hl=3Den.
>
> =A0 =A0--
> =A0 =A0You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goo= gle Groups
> =A0 =A0"Lojban Beginners" group.
> =A0 =A0To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.= com.
> =A0 =A0To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> =A0 =A0lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > =A0 =A0For more options, visit this group at
> =A0 =A0http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl= =3Den.
>
> References
>
> =A0 =A0Visible links
> =A0 =A01. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Computer+terminology

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.i.a'o.e'= ;e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'= ;o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )



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