Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QAb2B-0003L9-Jh; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:53:37 -0700 Received: by eyf18 with SMTP id 18sf41779eyf.16 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:53:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=WJZ6Scv5htncCgbdQZCc2dOpQt6Hvls8Td9uiZjzBQY=; b=nJX4aECJnmLEd5hiu63/yOvt26LcfEMNPUI1uufqnJdICzbX+xXNgV07ag+PQIKNmm YilyD17VSe7eau5DOADJL2xakfugHyKG2uqsQKoixuhPduOFVdnRv1/zisVodVPBFDsk P2ShFP83wvrdsgnQQAo5oKPusBxyY+2lUcO1M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=CJzflhv06SyhjisqDr76Bq/XaUlev4iGFig3IwuN5lYZBwD/emXMZGd1z2vzxcIV4E O1J6Bq+z3qqB7oPopKxHYHr104Qo885PZtIh+lSGizB3vV+lS37IjNMO6mbCtLbeR1Ie ZhGxpK+qqP864pbHzfd/SG1vUHVvfnViVqZmg= Received: by 10.213.2.200 with SMTP id 8mr181532ebk.1.1302843197733; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:53:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.124.80 with SMTP id w56ls11617eeh.5.gmail; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.124.130 with SMTP id x2mr136410eeh.32.1302843196959; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.124.130 with SMTP id x2mr136409eeh.32.1302843196929; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com (mail-bw0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p52si739600eeh.3.2011.04.14.21.53.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.44; Received: by mail-bw0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 13so2243994bwz.31 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:53:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.74.9 with SMTP id s9mr1306672bkj.184.1302843196513; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.116.147 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Apr 2011 21:53:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:53:16 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Talking to a computer. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7847fed1c8204a0edd106 Content-Length: 16483 --0016e6d7847fed1c8204a0edd106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And not saying the moi that shouldn't be there saves another one! :) It's probably just me, but that feels backwards. I'm not saying it's wrong, it just feels, um, well, backwards. Kind of like passive case in English feels backwards? On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Johan Pretorius wrote: > How about this: > > doi skami lenu ko jmina li re li re cu rapli li paremoi > > if you use gaimoi instead of paremoi you save another character :-) > > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> Yeah, I probably could forego the entire gi'e portion. It's still a really >> long thing to say even without that, though. >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Johan Pretorius wrote: >> >>> doi skami ko jmina li re li re? >>> >>> *starts to pull apart the sentence you gave* >>> >>> Oh wait, now I get it... hmmm. >>> >>> I know this is skips over the scope of what you're asking, but if I told >>> the computer to "add 2+2 twelve times", I would expect it to know that I >>> want feedback on the results of doing that. I wouldn't expect to have to >>> tell it explicitly that I want the results on the screen - maybe there would >>> be a setting in my program where I can indicate my preference to have >>> responses printed on the screen (as opposed to having them spoken, or >>> whatever). I think this is called thread-jacking though, so I'm going to >>> shut up and go to bed now :-) >>> >>> Regards, >>> Johan >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> I was hoping maybe someone had an idea for a shorter way to say that.... >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sounds like you're 1/200th of the way there to a lojbanic scripting >>>>> language =p >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Let's pretend for the moment that it is possible to talk to a computer >>>>>> in Lojban and be understood by it as a jbopre would understand. >>>>>> >>>>>> Let us further pretend that we want to test this computer's >>>>>> responsiveness. Say, add "2+2" 12 times and print the results on the >>>>>> monitor. >>>>>> >>>>>> I came up wuth: {doi skami ko rapygau lonu makau sumji li re li re kei >>>>>> li gai gi'e ciska lo jalge be la'edi'u lo vi vidni}. >>>>>> >>>>>> Comments/suggestions? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>>>> >>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi >>>>>> patfu do zo'o >>>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi >>>> patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Johan Pretorius >>> Cell: 0829268327 >>> pretoriusjf@gmail.com >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu >> do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > Johan Pretorius > Cell: 0829268327 > pretoriusjf@gmail.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016e6d7847fed1c8204a0edd106 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And not saying the moi that shouldn't be there saves another one! :)
It's probably just me, but that feels backwards. I'm not sayin= g it's wrong, it just feels, um, well, backwards. Kind of like passive = case in English feels backwards?

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Johan Pret= orius <pretor= iusjf@gmail.com> wrote:
How about this:=A0

doi skami lenu ko jmina li re li re cu rapli li = paremoi

if you use gaimoi instead of paremoi you save another charac= ter :-)



On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
Yeah, I probably could forego the entire gi&= #39;e portion. It's still a really long thing to say even without that,= though.


On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at = 9:49 PM, Johan Pretorius <pretoriusjf@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
doi skami ko jmina li re li re?

*star= ts to pull apart the sentence you gave*

Oh wait, now I get it...=A0 = hmmm.

I know this is skips over the scope of what you're asking, but if I= told the computer to "add 2+2 twelve times", I would expect it t= o know that I want feedback on the results of doing that.=A0 I wouldn't= expect to have to tell it explicitly that I want the results on the screen= - maybe there would be a setting in my program where I can indicate my pre= ference to have responses printed on the screen (as opposed to having them = spoken, or whatever).=A0 I think this is called thread-jacking though, so I= 'm going to shut up and go to bed now :-)

Regards,
Johan



On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Jonathan Jones &l= t;eyeonus@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
I was hoping maybe someone had an idea for a shorter way to say that....


On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 a= t 8:49 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like you're 1/200th of the way th= ere to a lojbanic scripting language =3Dp

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus= @gmail.com> wrote:
Let's p= retend for the moment that it is possible to talk to a computer in Lojban a= nd be understood by it as a jbopre would understand.

Let us further pretend that we want to test this computer's respons= iveness. Say, add "2+2" 12 times and print the results on the mon= itor.

I came up wuth: {doi skami ko rapygau lonu makau sumji li re li re kei = li gai gi'e ciska lo jalge be la'edi'u lo vi vidni}.

Com= ments/suggestions?

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.
.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk= . mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D= )

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.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i = doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your fat= her. :D )

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