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From: Johan Pretorius To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: pretoriusjf@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pretoriusjf@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=pretoriusjf@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c3fb0c266ac04a15af6e0 Content-Length: 17017 --0015174c3fb0c266ac04a15af6e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh wow, sorry about that... that would be my Eclipse being configured for work purposes. I'll get rid of that right away. Thanks for the link! Johan On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Brian Shannon < teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com> wrote: > "This software may not be copied or distributed in any form without > the written permission of Postilion." > > This is *not* GPL'ed. Assuming you are the sole copyright holder, > follow the GNU guide to license your software under the GPL. > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html > > On 20/04/2011, Johan Pretorius wrote: > > Hi Alan, > > > > That would indeed be an interesting experiment, I'd be quite keen to see > the > > results myself. > > > > Right now, if you just call > > > > java -jar vlastezba.jar test.txt > > > > with some Lojban text (legal or otherwise) in test.txt, it will return > (on > > stdout), one valsi per line. So "coirodo" would result in: > > coi > > ro > > do > > (you can make it go look up the definitions by passing a second > parameter, > > but it will just add junk to the output that I don't think you'd want) > > > > Right now it doesn't check grammar at all, so you can throw any random > > collection of words at it (I don't intend for it to ever do this, there > are > > tools out there that are far better at this than I could ever hope to > make > > it). > > > > It also won't give you a classification of valsi - it doesn't "know" when > > it's dealing with a cmavo (or indeed what class), or a gismu, or a lujvo. > > This I DO intend to fix. > > > > I want to add other output formats anyway, so if you want me to do > something > > specific to make your comparison easier, let me know. Now would be a > good > > time, as I'm going away on holiday for a week, and wanted to spend at > least > > a little bit of time on vlastezba. > > > > In fact, if you are comfortable with Java, feel free to make it do what > you > > need, the source code is on sourceforge.net ( > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/vlastezba/), and is GPL'ed :-) > > > > mu'o mi'e iu'an > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:29 PM, .alyn.post. < > alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > >> wrote: > > > >> Do you have an external representation for your valsi parsing > >> result? If I hand you the string "coirodo" is there a print > >> form of that along the lines of ("coi" "ro" "do")? > >> > >> I would be interested seeing the result from processing a large > >> data set of words and phrases and comparing that to jbogenturfa'i. > >> In order to do this I'd need some output format from your program > >> that I could parse. > >> > >> jbogenturfa'i uses the morphology PEG grammar that xorxes developed, > >> so it contains code which I think is similar (and should be > >> identical in result) to what you are doing: > >> > >> $ echo "coirodo"|jbogenturfahi --rafske > >> ((cmavo (COI "coi")) (cmavo (PA "ro")) (cmavo (KOhA "do"))) > >> > >> I'd be curious to know whether they are in fact producing identical > >> results. > >> > >> -Alan > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:02:28AM +0200, Johan Pretorius wrote: > >> > Hi all > >> > > >> > You can download it from here: > >> > [1] > >> http://sourceforge.net/projects/vlastezba/files/vlastezba.jar/download > >> > > >> > I have completed the cmavo cluster breakout code, and tested it as > >> > far > >> as > >> > I was able. > >> > > >> > It should be easy enough to run if you have Java 1.6 installed, > just > >> go > >> > java -jar vlastezba.jar and it will print out usage instructions. > >> > > >> > Please download it and test to pieces! I'd love all your feedback. > >> > > >> > Not that it doesn't get very smart at this stage - for instance, it > >> won't > >> > know what to do if you feed it a string of lojban that doesn't have > >> any > >> > spaces in. The only clever bit is that it's able to break apart > cmavo > >> > clusters if they don't have any spaces. > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > Johan > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Johan Pretorius > >> > Cell: 0829268327 > >> > [2]pretoriusjf@gmail.com > >> > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups > >> > "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> > To post to this group, send email to > >> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> > For more options, visit this group at > >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >> > > >> > References > >> > > >> > Visible links > >> > 1. > >> http://sourceforge.net/projects/vlastezba/files/vlastezba.jar/download > >> > 2. mailto:pretoriusjf@gmail.com > >> > >> -- > >> .i ma'a lo bradi ku penmi gi'e du > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Johan Pretorius > > Cell: 0829268327 > > pretoriusjf@gmail.com > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- Johan Pretorius Cell: 0829268327 pretoriusjf@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0015174c3fb0c266ac04a15af6e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh wow, sorry about that... that would be my Eclipse being configured for w= ork purposes.=A0 I'll get rid of that right away.

Thanks for the= link!
Johan


On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 = at 5:02 PM, Brian Shannon <teapot.philosopher@googlemail.com> = wrote:
"This software may not be copied or di= stributed in any form without
the written permission of Postilion."

This is *not* GPL'ed. Assuming you are the sole copyright holder,
follow the GNU guide to license your software under the GPL.
ht= tp://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html

On 20/04/2011, Johan Pretorius <pretoriusjf@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>
> That would indeed be an interesting experiment, I'd be quite keen = to see the
> results myself.
>
> Right now, if you just call
>
> =A0 =A0java -jar vlastezba.jar test.txt
>
> with some Lojban text (legal or otherwise) in test.txt, it will return= (on
> stdout), one valsi per line. =A0So "coirodo" would result in= :
> =A0 =A0coi
> =A0 =A0ro
> =A0 =A0do
> (you can make it go look up the definitions by passing a second parame= ter,
> but it will just add junk to the output that I don't think you'= ;d want)
>
> Right now it doesn't check grammar at all, so you can throw any ra= ndom
> collection of words at it (I don't intend for it to ever do this, = there are
> tools out there that are far better at this than I could ever hope to = make
> it).
>
> It also won't give you a classification of valsi - it doesn't = "know" when
> it's dealing with a cmavo (or indeed what class), or a gismu, or a= lujvo.
> This I DO intend to fix.
>
> I want to add other output formats anyway, so if you want me to do som= ething
> specific to make your comparison easier, let me know. =A0Now would be = a good
> time, as I'm going away on holiday for a week, and wanted to spend= at least
> a little bit of time on vlastezba.
>
> In fact, if you are comfortable with Java, feel free to make it do wha= t you
> need, the source code is on sourceforge.net (
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/vlastezba/), and is GPL'ed :-) >
> mu'o mi'e iu'an
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:29 PM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org
>> wrote:
>
>> Do you have an external representation for your valsi parsing
>> result? =A0If I hand you the string "coirodo" is there a= print
>> form of that along the lines of ("coi" "ro" &q= uot;do")?
>>
>> I would be interested seeing the result from processing a large >> data set of words and phrases and comparing that to jbogenturfa= 9;i.
>> In order to do this I'd need some output format from your prog= ram
>> that I could parse.
>>
>> jbogenturfa'i uses the morphology PEG grammar that xorxes deve= loped,
>> so it contains code which I think is similar (and should be
>> identical in result) to what you are doing:
>>
>> =A0$ echo "coirodo"|jbogenturfahi --rafske
>> =A0((cmavo (COI "coi")) (cmavo (PA "ro")) (cma= vo (KOhA "do")))
>>
>> I'd be curious to know whether they are in fact producing iden= tical
>> results.
>>
>> -Alan
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 11:02:28AM +0200, Johan Pretorius wrote: >> > =A0 =A0Hi all
>> >
>> > =A0 =A0You can download it from here:
>> > =A0 =A0[1]
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/vlastezb= a/files/vlastezba.jar/download
>> >
>> > =A0 =A0I have completed the cmavo cluster breakout code, and = tested it as
>> > far
>> as
>> > =A0 =A0I was able.
>> >
>> > =A0 =A0It should be easy enough to run if you have Java 1.6 i= nstalled, just
>> go
>> > =A0 =A0java -jar vlastezba.jar and it will print out usage in= structions.
>> >
>> > =A0 =A0Please download it and test to pieces! I'd love al= l your feedback.
>> >
>> > =A0 =A0Not that it doesn't get very smart at this stage -= for instance, it
>> won't
>> > =A0 =A0know what to do if you feed it a string of lojban that= doesn't have
>> any
>> > =A0 =A0spaces in. The only clever bit is that it's able t= o break apart cmavo
>> > =A0 =A0clusters if they don't have any spaces.
>> >
>> > =A0 =A0Regards,
>> > =A0 =A0Johan
>> >
>> > =A0 =A0--
>> > =A0 =A0Johan Pretorius
>> > =A0 =A0Cell: 0829268327
>> > =A0 =A0[2]pretoriusj= f@gmail.com
>> >
>> > =A0 =A0--
>> > =A0 =A0You received this message because you are subscribed t= o the Google
>> Groups
>> > =A0 =A0"Lojban Beginners" group.
>> > =A0 =A0To post to this group, send email to
>> lojban-beginn= ers@googlegroups.com.
>> > =A0 =A0To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
>> > =A0 =A0lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
>> > =A0 =A0For more options, visit this group at
>> > =A0 =A0http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-begin= ners?hl=3Den.
>> >
>> > References
>> >
>> > =A0 =A0Visible links
>> > =A0 =A01.
>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/vlastezb= a/files/vlastezba.jar/download
>> > =A0 =A02. mailto:pre= toriusjf@gmail.com
>>
>> --
>> .i ma'a lo bradi ku penmi gi'e du
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Johan Pretorius
> Cell: 0829268327
> pretoriusjf@gmail.com
>
> --
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