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To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30334e85f04fbc04a15bd3ed Content-Length: 12191 --20cf30334e85f04fbc04a15bd3ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But the converse isn't true. {'} is not a valid way of writing "th" as in "thin". On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Jameson Orndorff wrote: > The "th" in "thin" is a valid pronunciation of {'}. > > mi'e .kribacr. > > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Alessandro "Jake Dust" Andrioni < > jakedust@gmail.com> wrote: > >> (or in Portuguese, in German, in Spanish, in Italian, in Polish, in >> Mandarin, in Hebrew, in French, in Hindi, etc) >> >> On 20 April 2011 12:56, .arpis. wrote: >> > Continuing what {latros} said, your question is similar to asking, "How >> > would you write the 'th' in Russian?" >> > >> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Ian Johnson >> wrote: >> >> >> >> (I may have misunderstood your question, though.) >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Ian Johnson >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> They're not morphologically permitted, because so few languages have >> >>> them. If you want to make them, you're going to have to do it inside >> ZOI. >> >>> >> >>> mu'o mi'e .latros. >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Greendogo wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Hey, I was wondering how someone would write the "th" sounds of >> "then" >> >>>> and "thin" (respectively) in Lojbanic orthography without >> substituting >> >>>> the ' (h sound). >> >>>> >> >>>> I wish someone had taken into account that "th" sounds are very >> >>>> beautiful. >> >>>> >> >>>> Personally, my orthography would have used "x" for the "th" sound in >> >>>> "thin" and "dx" for the "th" sound in "then". I would have then used >> >>>> "h" for the guttural sound that "x" is now used for. >> >>>> >> >>>> I don't know why, but the two "th" sounds are probably my favorite >> >>>> sounds that the human mouth can produce. >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >> >>>> To post to this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >>>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >> . >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > mu'o mi'e .arpis. >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > "Lojban Beginners" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --20cf30334e85f04fbc04a15bd3ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But the converse isn't true.=A0 {'} is not a valid way of writing &= quot;th" as in "thin".

On = Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Jameson Orndorff <jtorndorff@gmail.com> wrot= e:
The "th" in "thin" is a= valid pronunciation of {'}.

mi'e .kribacr.
<= div class=3D"h5">

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Alessa= ndro "Jake Dust" Andrioni <jakedust@gmail.com> wr= ote:
(or in Portuguese, in German, in Spanish, in= Italian, in Polish, in
Mandarin, in Hebrew, in French, in Hindi, etc)

On 20 April 2011 12:56, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
> Continuing what {latros} said, your question is similar to asking, &qu= ot;How
> would you write the 'th' in Russian?"
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote= :
>>
>> (I may have misunderstood your question, though.)
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> >> wrote:
>>>
>>> They're not morphologically permitted, because so few lang= uages have
>>> them. If you want to make them, you're going to have to do= it inside ZOI.
>>>
>>> mu'o mi'e .latros.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Greendogo <pcm1123@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>
>>>> Hey, I was wondering how someone would write the "th&= quot; sounds of "then"
>>>> and "thin" (respectively) in Lojbanic orthograph= y without substituting
>>>> the ' (h sound).
>>>>
>>>> I wish someone had taken into account that "th" = sounds are very
>>>> beautiful.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, my orthography would have used "x" f= or the "th" sound in
>>>> "thin" and "dx" for the "th"= sound in "then". =A0I would have then used
>>>> "h" for the guttural sound that "x" is= now used for.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know why, but the two "th" sounds ar= e probably my favorite
>>>> sounds that the human mouth can produce.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>
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