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To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] vlastezba: First beta version released! Message-ID: <20110420162923.GG49678@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: <20110420142911.GB49678@alice.local> <20110420151214.GC49678@alice.local> <20110420154236.GE49678@alice.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.161.169 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 2279 ba'e, ba'er, and ba'ercatra are to me a fun demonstration of an interesting aspect of Lojban morphology. ba'e is a cmavo for emphasis. ba'e is *also* a rafsi for balre (blade). Since a rafsi can't appear as a word by itself, it is perfectly legal for the letters making up a rafsi to have a separate, independent cmavo definition. ba'er is also a valid cmene, so it is a cute example of an interesting case where ba'e, by itself, is a cmavo, but but in a lujvo means "blade." In the particular lujvo I chose, the required 'r' after ba'e, when *not* followed by more lujvo-stuff makes ba'er a cmene, having nothing to do with either emphasis or bladeness. -Alan On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 06:08:55PM +0200, Johan Pretorius wrote: > What is {ba'er} and what is {ba'ercatra}? > > When the spaces are there, I get: > Read file [coirodo.txt], got [3] unique words. > ba'er > ba'e > ba'ercatra > > When I take out the spaces, I get... > Read file [coirodo.txt], got [1] unique words. > ba'eba'erba'ercatra > > Which is... correct, I think? ba'er isn't a cmavo, so that thing isn't a > cmavo cluster. > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:42 PM, .alyn.post. > <[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > > ba'e ba'er ba'ercatra > > -- > Johan Pretorius > Cell: 0829268327 > [2]pretoriusjf@gmail.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > References > > Visible links > 1. mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > 2. mailto:pretoriusjf@gmail.com -- .i ma'a lo bradi ku penmi gi'e du -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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