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On Wednesday 20 April 2011 12:03:20 Alessandro "Jake Dust" Andrioni wrote:
> (or in Portuguese, in German, in Spanish, in Italian, in Polish, in
> Mandarin, in Hebrew, in French, in Hindi, etc)

Castilian Spanish has a phoneme /=CE=B8/ which is written "z" or, before "e=
"=20
or "i", "c". Andalusian and American Spanishes have merged this phoneme=20
with /s/, though it is still distinct in morphology, in particular the "zc"=
=20
alterations of some 2nd and 3rd conjugation verbs. [=C3=B0] occurs in Spani=
sh as=20
an allophone of /d/, and maybe in Castilian of /=CE=B8/ (both "z" nor "s" h=
ave=20
voiced allophones, but I've never been in Castile to hear how they pronounc=
e,=20
e.g., "liderazgo" versus "liderad go...").

Some Hebrew dialects have [=CE=B8] and [=C3=B0] as morpho-allophones of /t/=
 and /d/,=20
distinguished in writing by the lack of a dagesh. Ashkenazis pronounce this=
=20
allophone as [s], saying e.g. "Shabbos".

Pierre
--=20
.i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do
.ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
.icu'u la ma'atman.

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