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The canonical definitions are and always have been the English definitions.
To check whether a Lojban definition is right, it's checked against the
English.

stevo

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ideally, /every/ Lojban word should be defined in Lojban. And whenever a
> word /is/, that most certainly /is/ the canonical definition.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> what could be more canonical for the definition of a word than the
>> lojbanic definition in jbovlaste?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Thomas Jack <thomasjack@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> > According to how this CAhA is actually defined, {ro datka ka'e
>>> > flulimna} means {lo nu ro datka cu flulimna cu cumki}, which I'm not
>>> > sure would be true if there already is an actuality where some ducks
>>> > can't swim.
>>>
>>> Ah, do you take the Lojban<->Lojban definition ({fi'o se cumki}) at
>>> jbovlaste to be canonical?
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I don't think this is a safe strategy in general,
>>> whether or not xorxes is right about {ka'e}.
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<div>The canonical definitions are and always have been the English definit=
ions. To check whether a Lojban definition is right, it&#39;s checked again=
st the English. </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>stevo<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Jonathan Jones =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">Ideally, /every/ Lojban word sho=
uld be defined in Lojban. And whenever a word /is/, that most certainly /is=
/ the canonical definition.=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div class=3D"h5"><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Luke Bergen <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lukeabergen@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">lukeabergen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">what could be more canonical for=
 the definition of a word than the lojbanic definition in jbovlaste?=20
<div>
<div></div>
<div><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Thomas Jack <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thomasjack@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">thomasjack@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>&gt; According to how this CAhA is actually defined, {ro datka ka&#39;=
e<br>&gt; flulimna} means {lo nu ro datka cu flulimna cu cumki}, which I&#3=
9;m not<br>&gt; sure would be true if there already is an actuality where s=
ome ducks<br>

&gt; can&#39;t swim.<br><br></div>Ah, do you take the Lojban&lt;-&gt;Lojban=
 definition ({fi&#39;o se cumki}) at<br>jbovlaste to be canonical?<br><br>U=
nfortunately I don&#39;t think this is a safe strategy in general,<br>
whether or not xorxes is right about {ka&#39;e}.<br>

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