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To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747b3b0c6545204a16ad917 Content-Length: 12165 --00151747b3b0c6545204a16ad917 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:10 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > What? That's just plain backwards. Is there a single other language in > which the canon definition is in a different language? > > Klingon. stevo > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:28 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> The canonical definitions are and always have been the English >> definitions. To check whether a Lojban definition is right, it's checked >> against the English. >> >> stevo >> >> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> Ideally, /every/ Lojban word should be defined in Lojban. And whenever >>> a word /is/, that most certainly /is/ the canonical definition. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>> >>>> what could be more canonical for the definition of a word than the >>>> lojbanic definition in jbovlaste? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Thomas Jack wrote: >>>> >>>>> > According to how this CAhA is actually defined, {ro datka ka'e >>>>> > flulimna} means {lo nu ro datka cu flulimna cu cumki}, which I'm not >>>>> > sure would be true if there already is an actuality where some ducks >>>>> > can't swim. >>>>> >>>>> Ah, do you take the Lojban<->Lojban definition ({fi'o se cumki}) at >>>>> jbovlaste to be canonical? >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately I don't think this is a safe strategy in general, >>>>> whether or not xorxes is right about {ka'e}. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu >>> do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:10 AM, Jonathan Jones = <eyeonus@gmail.co= m> wrote:
What? That's just plain back= wards. Is there a single other language in which the canon definition is in= a different language?=20

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Klingon.
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stevo

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:28 AM, MorphemeAddict = <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
The canonical definitions are and always have been the English definit= ions. To check whether a Lojban definition is right, it's checked again= st the English.
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stevo

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Jonathan Jones <= eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Ideally, /every/ Lojban word should be defined in Lojban. And whenever= a word /is/, that most certainly /is/ the canonical definition.=20


On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
what could be more canonical for= the definition of a word than the lojbanic definition in jbovlaste?=20


On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Thomas Jack <thomasjack@gmail.com> wrote:
> According to how this CAhA is actually defined, {ro datka ka'= e
> flulimna} means {lo nu ro datka cu flulimna cu cumki}, which I= 9;m not
> sure would be true if there already is an actuality where s= ome ducks
> can't swim.

Ah, do you take the Lojban<->Lojban= definition ({fi'o se cumki}) at
jbovlaste to be canonical?

U= nfortunately I don't think this is a safe strategy in general,
whether or not xorxes is right about {ka'e}.

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-- mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe = lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot S= ide! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be = denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I= am your father. :D )

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