Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q88ae-0004Yd-UR; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:06:59 -0700 Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2sf1631643vws.16 for ; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:06:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=0kIK1Ts6Z5ic3QfJ5weUVnWC/FnimtfwTFtsbeusCzs=; b=AmWYqYWVmr+NSHF27/tCXkemQPcdHrR0qmDyzlssbfGSbjVKCGQCpQowtbkrwbbjc5 LKQZYFq3d14dvCSQarYZxq1b4foVxVioqeXsvSONmPPX6KCIvPv4hwn3Rr+Uq2BD/5pm koQsJmdhMyQ2hMxaqIrVDckwEItDH/wQJzJcI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=rSEX9DDcCBOA+EDoJirthVKIsC/gaa9msoKxpJj4GPYUQ1xR8U6MBHBVJJYZ35ytia RVkH9xgQKmSK4h3n7MNyB1Yc3p2atwdqHIwuoqB2jobERhRhnatuSLBqnS8C+SuOwt7I 4OtWrkMWFyBRrUwUa9l4f0IIm+AT9FHFnMosU= Received: by 10.220.62.8 with SMTP id v8mr240768vch.4.1302257203414; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:06:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.113.208 with SMTP id b16ls1009803vcq.0.p; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.170.207 with SMTP id ao15mr408082vdc.27.1302257202510; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.170.207 with SMTP id ao15mr408080vdc.27.1302257202494; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f182.google.com (mail-qy0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id du6si182972vdb.0.2011.04.08.03.06.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.182; Received: by mail-qy0-f182.google.com with SMTP id 27so2399771qyk.13 for ; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:06:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.40.139 with SMTP id k11mr1601078qce.135.1302257202253; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.96.135 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 03:06:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1318bae0-c08d-4a6d-9483-b9ca6c726a53@r13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> References: <1318bae0-c08d-4a6d-9483-b9ca6c726a53@r13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 06:06:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] a question about logical tanru connectives From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1697 So, it's an open question. The general opinion is that yes, the x1 places will align, but there is a disagreement over whether the x2...xn places will. My answer is that they do, but they are not always sensical, so they wouldn't be uttered. Use at your own risk. --gejyspa On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 12:14 PM, ianek wrote: > coi > Do logical tanru connectives bind ommited arguments? > For example, when I say "broda je brode", does this mean that lo broda > = le brode? > Of course if I say "mi broda je brode", then lo broda = lo brode = mi. > What about "zo'e broda je brode"? I understand leaving empty sumti > places is equivalent to putting zo'e. > Finally: in common usage are sentences like "ti melbi je xamgu" and I > don't think they are intended to mean that the beauty aspect (lo te > melbi) is equal to the standard of goodness (lo te xamgu). What about > "ti melbi je xamgu fi zo'e"? > > mu'o mi'e ianek > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.