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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: a question about logical tanru connectives
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If the usage is expected to decide, then I'm going to use it like
this:
Unspecified objects (empty places or zo'e): not necessaryli aligned
Other (specified, variables like KOhA1 or KOhA4, {ma} etc.): aligned
The same for the x1 in "broda da gi'e brode de".

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 8 Kwi, 12:06, Michael Turniansky <mturnian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> =A0 So, it's an open question. =A0The general opinion is that yes, the x1
> places will align, but there is a disagreement over whether the
> x2...xn places will. =A0My answer is that they do, but they are not
> always sensical, so they wouldn't be uttered. =A0Use at your own risk.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa
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> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 12:14 PM, ianek <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > coi
> > Do logical tanru connectives bind ommited arguments?
> > For example, when I say "broda je brode", does this mean that lo broda
> > =3D le brode?
> > Of course if I say "mi broda je brode", then lo broda =3D lo brode =3D =
mi.
> > What about "zo'e broda je brode"? I understand leaving empty sumti
> > places is equivalent to putting zo'e.
> > Finally: in common usage are sentences like "ti melbi je xamgu" and I
> > don't think they are intended to mean that the beauty aspect (lo te
> > melbi) is equal to the standard of goodness (lo te xamgu). What about
> > "ti melbi je xamgu fi zo'e"?
>
> > mu'o mi'e ianek
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