Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5dii-0006Et-C6; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:45:00 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf6529291gwb.16 for ; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:44:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:message-id:date:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=wLxMWp14zh9ZrVpjEs88VjCWS1R/eQ0VlgSRjXlS1qc=; b=C8co3UbauJWzaIUwo8PEt2+i9uDJuaHwA0PuWLwZkQFnp1nSne6tM1lwsectZgnyCg M2j0TzA9XzFJgDj4Pqwb0fWQrcAYoP9OkSUIG7Fpnut3qkXZMPFa7rxdbsZFW97oC9rD WkKbwrTLw56VW94RmE9LhGrl/blnE9Sro6rko= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:message-id:date :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=L7hJc6Oi57UuPcL3bQy5sAbIJJLVLjpqcFfeh8IVGJ2KqYLe3eaiweRf9eNxl7LZTW 5FHsgoZOKxLz6PL5xFKbsBa5offVsZzwrzNvtZ8p3ybcrab97P+6+aqUHnQw53PBH+PG tGgkmfiRQKMccjv1ZTQv+4Fm84fQMcQDUBPUg= Received: by 10.101.13.1 with SMTP id q1mr586885ani.33.1301661879771; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:44:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.178.17 with SMTP id bk17ls1069255ibb.1.p; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.42.87 with SMTP id r23mr1699644ibe.9.1301661878616; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.42.87 with SMTP id r23mr1699642ibe.9.1301661878594; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f198.google.com (mail-iw0-f198.google.com [209.85.214.198]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xk8si375588icb.5.2011.04.01.05.44.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.198 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.198; Received: by iwn10 with SMTP id 10so4517807iwn.1 for ; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.157.74 with SMTP id c10mr365842icx.102.1301661878170; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <90e6ba6e8deaddbccd049fdac56c@google.com> Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 12:44:38 +0000 Subject: Re: Re: [lojban-beginners] What is the Lojban word for...... From: rdentato@gmail.com To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8deaddbcb8049fdac569 Content-Length: 8272 --90e6ba6e8deaddbcb8049fdac569 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes I would prefer {jvive'u} with {ko'a jvive'u ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u} meaning {ko'a vecnu ko'e ko'i poi jivna ko'u ku'o ko'o} In English: "x1=v1 sells-on-auction x2=v2 to x3=v3=j1 for price x4=v4 with-other-competors x5=j2" so "the auction" would be {lo nu jvive'u} "the winner" is {lo te jvive'u} The reason for my preference is that an auction is a special form of sale, so having it aligned with {vecnu} would make it easier to remember. PS BTW, I found that try to write the lojban gloss greatly helps when trying to create lujvo! On , Michael Turniansky wrote: > I like it very much. However, your definition is slightly off. Since you > want to denote the WINNER of the competition in your definition, I would > go with jinga instead. (jigve'u= > v1 auctions v2=j2 to v3=j1 for cost v4 at auction j4 (over competitors > j5, if you must)), making the actual auction itself xeljigve'u) > --gejyspa > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Ross Ogilvie oges007@gmail.com> wrote: > coi > I don't have much experience coining words, but I thought I'd have a go. > What about something based on {vecnu} = sells and {jivna} = competes ? > jvive'u => v1 auctions v2=j4 to v3=j1 for cost v4 > and then to translate "I attended the auction of the house" it would be { > mi zvati lonu jvive'u lo zdani }. What do people think? > Also, is your name Sam Spade or Greg? uinai > mu'o mi'e ros > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Sam Spade samspade10@gmail.com> wrote: > auction ? > (as in, where people bid cash for an item) > I couldn't find it in any of the dictionaries or on google. > I've left the thread title open for future use :-) > Thanks, > Greg > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --90e6ba6e8deaddbcb8049fdac569 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would prefer {jvive'u} with

{ko'a jvive'u ko= 9;e ko'i ko'o ko'u}

meaning
{ko'a vecnu= ko'e ko'i poi jivna ko'u ku'o ko'o}

In Engl= ish:

"x1=3Dv1 sells-on-auction x2=3Dv2 to x3=3Dv3=3Dj1 for = price x4=3Dv4 with-other-competors x5=3Dj2"

so "the au= ction" would be {lo nu jvive'u} "the winner" is {lo te j= vive'u}

The reason for my preference is that an auction is a= special form of sale, so having it aligned with {vecnu} would make it easi= er to remember.

P.S. BTW, I found that try to write the lojban g= loss greatly helps when trying to create lujvo!


On , Micha= el Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
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