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to pu benji di'u fo lo mi me la.android. fonxa toi

mu'o mi'e.aionys.

On Apr 21, 2011 3:01 PM, ".alyn.post." <alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org>
wrote:

Here are the definitions of consonants and vowels from the PEG file:


 consonant <- voiced
            / unvoiced
            / syllabic

 syllabic <- l / m / n / r

 voiced <- b / d / g / j / v / z
 unvoiced <- c / f / k / p / s / t / x

 vowel <- a / e / i / o / u

You'll have to ask another question.  :-)

ybu is valid, it being the y letteral in selma'o BY (I believe it has
also been two words, Y+BU, in the past though I could be wrong about
that.  For your purposes either definition is probably ok.)

Will you quote the phrase you're referring to regarding pauses?  I
see this one:

 The cmavo =93.u'e=94 begins with a vowel, and like all words
 beginning with a vowel, requires a pause (represented by =93.=94)
 before it.

I understand "represented" to be different than "required."  In
particular, these lines are all the same:

 .a'e.i'o
 a'e.i'o
 a'e i'o
 .a'e i'o

In that '.' and ' ' are the same.  In section 3.3 there is this:

 Technically, the period is an optional reminder to the reader of a
 mandatory pause that is dictated by the rules of the language;
 because these rules are unambiguous, a missing period can be
 inferred from otherwise correct text. Periods are included only as
 an aid to the reader.

 A period also may be found apparently embedded in a word. When
 this occurs, such a written string is not one word but two,
 written together to indicate that the writer intends a unitary
 meaning for the compound. It is not really necessary to use a
 space between words if a period appears.

Given my understanding of the above, I believe your requiring a
period to represent this pause to be in error.

I will rerun my baseline and reply back with it.

-Alan


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<p>to pu benji di&#39;u fo lo mi me la.android. fonxa toi</p>
<p>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e.aionys.</p>
<p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 21, 2011 3:01 PM, &quot;.alyn.post.&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org" target=3D"_blank">=
alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>Here are the definitio=
ns of consonants and vowels from the PEG file:<br>


<br>
<br>
 =A0consonant &lt;- voiced<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / unvoiced<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 / syllabic<br>
<br>
 =A0syllabic &lt;- l / m / n / r<br>
<br>
 =A0voiced &lt;- b / d / g / j / v / z<br>
 =A0unvoiced &lt;- c / f / k / p / s / t / x<br>
<br>
 =A0vowel &lt;- a / e / i / o / u<br>
<br>
You&#39;ll have to ask another question. =A0:-)<br>
<br>
ybu is valid, it being the y letteral in selma&#39;o BY (I believe it has<b=
r>
also been two words, Y+BU, in the past though I could be wrong about<br>
that. =A0For your purposes either definition is probably ok.)<br>
<br>
Will you quote the phrase you&#39;re referring to regarding pauses? =A0I<br=
>
see this one:<br>
<br>
 =A0The cmavo =93.u&#39;e=94 begins with a vowel, and like all words<br>
 =A0beginning with a vowel, requires a pause (represented by =93.=94)<br>
 =A0before it.<br>
<br>
I understand &quot;represented&quot; to be different than &quot;required.&q=
uot; =A0In<br>
particular, these lines are all the same:<br>
<br>
 =A0.a&#39;e.i&#39;o<br>
 =A0a&#39;e.i&#39;o<br>
 =A0a&#39;e i&#39;o<br>
 =A0.a&#39;e i&#39;o<br>
<br>
In that &#39;.&#39; and &#39; &#39; are the same. =A0In section 3.3 there i=
s this:<br>
<br>
 =A0Technically, the period is an optional reminder to the reader of a<br>
 =A0mandatory pause that is dictated by the rules of the language;<br>
 =A0because these rules are unambiguous, a missing period can be<br>
 =A0inferred from otherwise correct text. Periods are included only as<br>
 =A0an aid to the reader.<br>
<br>
 =A0A period also may be found apparently embedded in a word. When<br>
 =A0this occurs, such a written string is not one word but two,<br>
 =A0written together to indicate that the writer intends a unitary<br>
 =A0meaning for the compound. It is not really necessary to use a<br>
 =A0space between words if a period appears.<br>
<br>
Given my understanding of the above, I believe your requiring a<br>
period to represent this pause to be in error.<br>
<br>
I will rerun my baseline and reply back with it.<br>
<br>
-Alan<br>
<p><font color=3D"#500050"><br>On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:42:40PM +0200, Jo=
han Pretorius wrote:<br>&gt;    Hi Alan<br>&gt; <br>&gt;    I thought I w..=
.</font></p><p><font color=3D"#500050">&gt;    &lt;[1]<a href=3D"mailto:aly=
n.post@lodockikumazvati.org" target=3D"_blank">alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.o=
rg</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

&gt; <br>&gt;      vlastezba crashes on 80 of the 2433 tests....</font></p>=
&gt; =A0 =A0[2]<a href=3D"mailto:pretoriusjf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">p=
retoriusjf@gmail.com</a><br>
<p><font color=3D"#500050">&gt; <br>&gt;    --<br>&gt;    You received this=
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&gt;    1. mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org" target=
=3D"_blank">alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org</a></font></p><p><font color=3D"=
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=3D"_blank">pretoriusjf@gmail.com</a><br>

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