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On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:25:03PM +0200, Johan Pretorius wrote:
>    Thanks!
> 
>    Looking at the comparison, I spotted these bugs in vlastezba:
> 
>     1. For some reason, {bybycy} and {bycy} don't fall apart. I expect them
>        to, they're cmavo clusters.
>     2. Same thing with {mycy}
>     3. Same thing with {pycy}
>     4. Same thing with {lety}
>     5. vlastezba does not ignore case (it should... in cmavo_list, vlastezba
>        does not break apart these two at all: {cu'uko'aBAI*}, {da'aremoiMOI*}
> 

I believe that the PEG grammar does not forbid capitalization
outside of cmene, which the CLL implies.  It might actually be
ok to properly mark stress outside of a cmene, I'm not super
clear.  But yeah, the PEG grammor does not distinguish between
capital- and lower-case lerfu.

I think the two examples you cited, {cu'uko'aBAI*} and {da'aremoiMOI*},
are a parsing error.  The BAI* and MOI* are the second column in the
file.  Did I send it that way, or did that happen on your end?

The * there indicates that the cmavo cluster is not actually of the
indicated selma'o, but acts as if it were.


>    And these, which appear to be bugs in jbogenturfa'i:
> 
>     1. It seems to think {jefyfa'o} is not a cmavo cluster.
>     2. Same thing with {ticyve'u}
>     3. Same thing with {cikygau}
>     4. Same thing with {vacysai}
> 

I believe all of these are a single class, those being lujvo with
impermissible consonant clusters (ff, cv, kg, and cs).  When
constructing lujvo from rafsi, impermissible consonant clusters must
be buffered with 'y'.  The CLL section discussing this is here:

  "The lujvo-making algorithm"
  http://dag.github.com/cll/4/11/

>    cmavo_list have two entries that have asterisks as their last character.
>    As far as I understand, asterisks mean nothing in Lojban. Does that mean
>    we need to ignore them (i.e. delete them from the input stream?)
> 
>    And I just realized I had been rude - I never sent you my output files! My
>    apologies, they're attached now.
> 

Thank you!

>    I'm really excited that we're getting such close results!
> 

Indeed!

-Alan
-- 
.i ma'a lo bradi ku penmi gi'e du

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