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To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] vlastezba: First beta version released! Message-ID: <20110422231603.GE80702@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: <20110422205256.GD80702@alice.local> <201104221852.31588.phma@phma.optus.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.160.46 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1405 On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 01:08:04AM +0200, Johan Pretorius wrote: > > Huh, you mean they're lujvo? Erm... Then how am I to distinguish > between > > a cmavo cluster and a lujvo with impermissable consonant clusters? > > Oh wait, I see a possible answer... cmavo can never contain "y", > except for > > .y. and Cy? > > You have to put a dot or a space in the cmavo cluster, such as "le > kymoi" > or "leky.moi". (Neither valfendi nor jbofi'e accepts "kymoi", but it > can't be > a lujvo or the beginning of one. camxes accepts it.) With a dot in it, > it > still looks like a cluster (as is the previously mentioned "na.a"). > > So, what you're saying is, that "bybycy" isn't a legal cmavo cluster? > Instead, it should be written "[1]by.by.cy"? > Well, bybyby is a legal cmavo cluster. I'm still trying to understand why/how jbofi'i and valfendi don't like kymoi, so I can't further explain what the underlying rule is. -Alan -- .i ma'a lo bradi ku penmi gi'e du -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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