Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QDeqS-00033I-SA; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:34:07 -0700 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36sf4368789qyk.16 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:33:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=Q4oNlCN4S2DrWMcCBZ+zGI8BfHdgXzymHc6lD2b53YM=; b=3BXWzWVB+oqn+IrMWuboMLWm9ug5Tytr5QDNbfQLSlkuEQl/5EkU+0YIlyknF+m7eE FgdqwYRjqAWot8YE+d4nk9ShgPDE4cwLU9E1perjciSgl2T6BCyHnfqgYP76hKgq+ZjS KGF8AthfTDT9aAg2yn2w6YZ9I61UqabszACWw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=dxCfuvjKc21XmWphE8Uv26ypgumjFZJPWij4XVMrkv6Ig8qFxfjxdaVlmeplw/bObb VkN8/XpnoVDcChn0TToccLcBUEQTtik15aZWobrEIzLbV3oNzSf9mJ5X+O2RutzZjRrc IKGMuNCOiFK+KFrFNxZZFIAONkU2SkI7h3vMU= Received: by 10.229.141.68 with SMTP id l4mr373012qcu.2.1303572834186; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:33:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.220.212 with SMTP id hz20ls1274481qcb.3.gmail; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.29.212 with SMTP id r20mr153800qcc.21.1303572833021; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.29.212 with SMTP id r20mr153799qcc.21.1303572832997; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f46.google.com (mail-vw0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c2si825904qca.8.2011.04.23.08.33.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.46; Received: by vws1 with SMTP id 1so1559355vws.33 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:33:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.71.111 with SMTP id t15mr3382317vdu.37.1303572832613; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.182.67 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 08:33:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7e5bdd6d-4bb8-415e-b50f-6a0d3e5454b4@e8g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 12:33:52 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Why is CAhA a tense/modal? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1638 On Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 10:16 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > > Circularity is avoidable. That's the whole point of Anna Wierzbicka's > Natural Semantic Metalanguage, which assumes a small number (~62) of 'words' > that can't be defined in terms of simpler words. >> > Almost all dictionaries are unapologetic about circularity. It's easy to fix this "problem" for any dictionary as follows: (1) Take any word that appears in a definition but not as an entry and classify it as "primitive". (2) Take any word that appears in its own definition and classify it as "primitive". (3) Pick any remaining entry, classify it as "well-defined" and classify all still unclassified words in its definition as "primitive". (4) Repeat step (3) until you run out of entries. You end up with a pile of words classified as "primitive" and another pile classified as "well-defined". You can try all possible picking orders for step (3) if you wish to minimize the set of primitives for the dictionary, since different picking orders will result in different sets of primitives. It would be interesting to see how many primitives result from this process for a typical dictionary, and how the resulting list of "primitives" compares with Wierzbicka's. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.