Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QDo5w-0007qn-Pb; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 18:26:43 -0700 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36sf5150126qyk.16 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 18:26:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=nrQiHA2R14m5jJ62N+ruZt48MsP8vZajTxFpiSsscFU=; b=GnPPo6IsfT53xO7hmzMCY/ENtqlLx2FNo6q7tqHvBRMUo1SoPostxJE+mECDTLYK01 VHuR2xHtuyRCvQq3M+1z4pa4yiKVjUlAWO2uU6TNxFXUO0MZ1Yj+J5P/1cC88QJ7i0NZ QHgiY3mBv4+UrD2nfHpd4phK7PxxKVyIVyTQk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=NlOJUMVXYr4ndDqrGFbJcZQZwZfW6XP/aJF+8VJ5yay7MUXvdOq0R6a6O0mrHjcrMe Ye5iYrCr7uWWsQ2YGTJFJAZicLLktUtvBXx5TDbM2FVpAU5oYfy/0ZTgeli1iqAy1dOZ SiJEXWVPx8RvW9zGAv5K21BKQw4B/2hxRL30w= Received: by 10.229.1.96 with SMTP id 32mr293919qce.21.1303608390093; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 18:26:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.185.141 with SMTP id co13ls745439qab.2.gmail; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 18:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.69.218 with SMTP id a26mr160760qaj.23.1303608389463; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 18:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.21.154 with SMTP id j26msqab; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 10:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.175.136 with SMTP id ca8mr978532vdc.11.1303579434289; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 10:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.175.136 with SMTP id ca8mr978531vdc.11.1303579434280; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 10:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f42.google.com (mail-qw0-f42.google.com [209.85.216.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ez14si956534vbb.5.2011.04.23.10.23.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 23 Apr 2011 10:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.42; Received: by qwi4 with SMTP id 4so1264901qwi.1 for ; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 10:23:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.105.162 with SMTP id t34mr1664540qco.14.1303579433933; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 10:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.182.209 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Apr 2011 10:23:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7e5bdd6d-4bb8-415e-b50f-6a0d3e5454b4@e8g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 18:23:53 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Why is CAhA a tense/modal? From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1013 On 23 April 2011 14:16, MorphemeAddict wrote: > Circularity is avoidable. That's the whole point of Anna Wierzbicka's > Natural Semantic Metalanguage, which assumes a small number (~62) of 'words' > that can't be defined in terms of simpler words. Yes, such primes may exist. However, editors of the canonical Lojban dictionary would still be on the hook to define even the valsi corresponding to those primes. I wouldn't expect the entry for {barda} to be empty because of its semantic primitiveness. And we wouldn't need non-Lojban words to define {barda}, just like the OED doesn't resort to Chinese to define "big". mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.