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I think the question though is, if {cu} means "separate selbri from
preceding sumti" then, why can't you do {le le ninmu cu klama} where this i=
s
interpreted as: (something that goes in x1 of: ( something that goes in x1
of: (ninmu <cu so break out of this sumti and start talking about a selbri>=
)
comes).

Ok, I don't know how to describe that better.  Basically, if {cu} says "ok,
we're done with this sumti, now do a selbri" but that itself is happening
inside a LE, then why can't the following selbri be converted by the outer
LE?

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:06 AM, .alyn.post. <
alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 07:49:21AM -0700, Ben Foppa wrote:
> > Lojban for Beginners says "...consider how you would say le tamne pe
> > le ninmu klama 'the woman traveller's cousin' with this kind of
> > nesting. You could flip it around as le le ninmu klama tamne =97 but
> > then, how can you tell where the 'possessor' ends and where the
> > 'possessee' begins?"
> >
> > I wonder why a construct like "le le ninmu klama cu tamne" wouldn't
> > work, to separate the argument to the first "le" (which is "ninmu
> > klama"), from the argument to the second "le" (which is "tamne"). Is
> > the purpose of "cu" not simply to separate two selbri when they are
> > consecutive arguments, or when one is the argument to another?
> >
>
> You can use {ku} to terminate the inner {le}:
>
>  le le ninmu klama ku tamne
>
> -alyn
> --
> .i ma'a lo bradi ku penmi gi'e du
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I think the question though is, if {cu} means &quot;separate=A0selbri from =
preceding sumti&quot; then, why can&#39;t you do {le le ninmu cu klama} whe=
re this is interpreted as: (something that goes in x1 of: ( something that =
goes in x1 of: (ninmu &lt;cu so break out of this sumti and start talking a=
bout a selbri&gt;) comes).<div>

<br></div><div>Ok, I don&#39;t know how to describe that better. =A0Basical=
ly, if {cu} says &quot;ok, we&#39;re done with this sumti, now do a selbri&=
quot; but that itself is happening inside a LE, then why can&#39;t the foll=
owing selbri be converted by the outer LE?<br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:06 AM, .alyn.post=
. <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org">a=
lyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex;">

<div class=3D"im">On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 07:49:21AM -0700, Ben Foppa wrote=
:<br>
&gt; Lojban for Beginners says &quot;...consider how you would say le tamne=
 pe<br>
&gt; le ninmu klama &#39;the woman traveller&#39;s cousin&#39; with this ki=
nd of<br>
&gt; nesting. You could flip it around as le le ninmu klama tamne =97 but<b=
r>
&gt; then, how can you tell where the &#39;possessor&#39; ends and where th=
e<br>
&gt; &#39;possessee&#39; begins?&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I wonder why a construct like &quot;le le ninmu klama cu tamne&quot; w=
ouldn&#39;t<br>
&gt; work, to separate the argument to the first &quot;le&quot; (which is &=
quot;ninmu<br>
&gt; klama&quot;), from the argument to the second &quot;le&quot; (which is=
 &quot;tamne&quot;). Is<br>
&gt; the purpose of &quot;cu&quot; not simply to separate two selbri when t=
hey are<br>
&gt; consecutive arguments, or when one is the argument to another?<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div>You can use {ku} to terminate the inner {le}:<br>
<br>
 =A0le le ninmu klama ku tamne<br>
<br>
-alyn<br>
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