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If I were to quote you as saying, "I love muffins.", the person that "I"
refers to in that is you, because within the quote, you are the speaker. So
yes, "I" and "you" do switch.

In the sentence, "You said it to me earlier.", the person being addressed is
"You", and the speaker is "me", obviously.

If it were, "You said to me, 'I like muffins.', earlier.", both "You"and "I"
refer to you, because within the context of the muffin quote, the speaker is
you, while outside the audience is you.

to pu benji di'u fo lo mi me la.android. fonxa toi

mu'o mi'e.aionys.

On Apr 28, 2011 9:38 AM, "Michael Eaton" <michael.eaton@blackpool.gov.uk>
wrote:

 So what happens if YOU address ME? Do YOU beome I, while I become YOU? Even
if written from MY perspective? Consider the context of an autobiography: if
somebody addresses the biographer, I is no longer the speaker (despite the
fact that you are reading their presentation) as they are the person being
addressed, and therefore the listener. At least from one standpoint, anyway.

Also, you wouldn't want to introduce problems with sentences such as "You
said it to me earlier". I and YOU surely cannot be always considered to be
in a fixed role of speaker and listener.


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