Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QFTwq-0008Mo-9P; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:20:18 -0700 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36sf7511114qyk.16 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:20:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=9SWYJQEOXhXCTqcuWmAEn/u8eXDTV8Q6FquxGVZSVQo=; b=bmif9yUD7VBCOSBZiHwCP/t4L9au4JfI6p3ltFpmKCtsbEGI8n5QWOJ8dkGl1RFFz5 Z5SHGYKxoPvcnO03sIYD+L9XIy67xjQNZalgrqGzuLLn5y5nm9pR460tg7i9r+7gzVg8 6TsEOKO/3ZwcJTUYYSGW2V1F4pDQr8Xrz+GLs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=roMMYW7YEZ5oRebOGaTigfZyYX7RNq+j30/DiyW4S1P6lnrJFu3TrRRQjxzTyzRFAu OnJMOtPsnSdpLEKOQ9ywp1Nd9m0uLHUedCwlbbIfrMp/Yf3cG6J9JW92fiNK1VzN7sZk 3iDcb8JMQVFCB/5Se2Qan/Mg+amPadlUJnLXI= Received: by 10.229.241.13 with SMTP id lc13mr367140qcb.30.1304007601361; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:20:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.229.132 with SMTP id ji4ls675860qcb.1.gmail; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.11.36 with SMTP id r36mr289563qcr.18.1304007600301; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.11.36 with SMTP id r36mr289561qcr.18.1304007600219; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id c2si456295qca.8.2011.04.28.09.19.58; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=2pE2Kh9Ye2ywHyyFZnC5ZQ1FvuPrdOtuPO5uN4ysVDU= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=LaHPCDQgn54A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=o9VnIxNtt8QlIcP63doA:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:56189] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 4A/A5-05159-EA399BD4; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:19:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id B240B433B for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:19:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Possession with "le le ..." Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:19:53 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <1ef02bdb-cb9a-4474-a0d8-e2fd2f84e2ab@w24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <20110428153549.GB30212@alice.local> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201104281219.55719.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 957 On Thursday 28 April 2011 11:59:55 Luke Bergen wrote: > But in {lo lo blabi cu gerku} it seems like it's not behaving the same way. > It seems like it's not valid to read this as "take the next selbri and > make it a sumti: (take the next selbri and make it a sumti: (blabi) comes a selbri> (gerku) ) "lo blabi cu gerku" is a sentence in which "lo blabi" is a sumti of "gerku". But the first "lo" expects a selbri, not a whole bridi, so "lo lo blabi cu gerku" is ungrammatical. Pierre -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.