On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Michael Turnian= sky <mturnian= sky@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:28 = AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Michael Turnian= sky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
&g= t; On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:28 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's easier to keep I and YOU than forever disting= uish between I as
>> speaker and YOU as listener.
>
><= br>> Except that I /is/ /always/ the person speaking, and you /is/ /alwa= ys/ the
> person listening.
>

=A0Well, no. =A0I refer you to = CLL 17.14:

> Using any vocative except ``mi'e'' (expl= ained below) implicitly defines the meaning of the
> pro-sumti ``do&#= 39;', as the whole point of vocatives is to specify the listener, or at= any rate
> the desired listener --- even if the desired listener isn't listen= ing! We will use the terms
> ``speaker'' and ``listener'&= #39; for clarity, although in written Lojban the appropriate terms
> would be ``writer'' and ``reader''.

=A0 =A0So do doesn't have to be even listening. =A0And we also = know that
mi'e can assign a plural to "mi". (CLL 7.2) =A0Q= uestions like what does
"mi'e le gerku" mean (presumably &= quot;okay, I am speaking for the dog
now") are left open.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

That reference agrees with me, gejyspa.
=A0

=A0 You said=A0do was _always_ the listener and mi was _always_ = the speaker.=A0 (emphasis yours).=A0 I was simply pointing out=A0do is only= the person=A0being=A0addressed, not necessarily=A0a person who was actuall= y listening.=A0 And that "I" can refer to someone other than the = person who was actually speaking, since you can be speaking for someone oth= er than yourself.

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

"...We will use the terms ``speaker= '' and ``listener'' for clarity...."

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&= #39;o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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