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On 28 April 2011 19:21, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, the gadri system was kind of broken and was changed in a proposal b=
y
> xorxes which we call "xorlo". =A0You can read about it
> here:=A0http://www.lojban.org/tiki/How+to+use+xorlo
> Basically it really simplifies how gadri work in lojban. =A0If I understa=
nd it
> myself correctly, {ci lo gerku} is saying "three dogs". =A0Meanwhile "lo =
ci
> gerku" is saying something like "all three of the dogs that we are talkin=
g
> about". =A0i.e. =A0If you have "X lo Y gerku cu blabi" X is how many gerk=
u are
> "white" and Y is the number of dogs that we're talking about. =A0So if th=
ere
> are 5 dogs in a room that we're looking at and 3 of them are white, you
> could say {ci lo mu gerku cu blabi}. =A0And I believe that there are no
> default quantifiers for {lo} either anymore. =A0So {lo gerku} can be used=
 if
> you're talking about 3 dogs, 1 dog, some dog (who knows which one), or ev=
en
> something that resembles a dog in your mind.

Yes, xorlo has no default quantifier. But then does "lo ci gerku"
really mean "*all three* of the dogs that we are talking about"?


On 28 April 2011 19:31, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
> so now,
> {ci lo broda} means "exactly three things which are (or which I describe =
as)
> brodas" and {lo ci broda} means "at least one of the three brodas I'm
> talking about".

"at least one of" =3D {su'o lo}
"at least one of the three brodas I'm talking about" =3D {su'o lo ci broda}

According to xorlo, {lo} isn't supposed to have any default
quantifier, including "at least one". "How to use xorlo" translates it
as "something(s) or other to do with broda".


mu'o

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