Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QIl0e-0002p2-M9; Sat, 07 May 2011 10:09:43 -0700 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36sf15464554qyk.16 for ; Sat, 07 May 2011 10:09:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=tdxK4DC37gKYLRGnh+b9er7/dYFbQYyKZQdEM7NftOI=; b=pHbU6i4M5SdGWnoe/TbhKhEBgNT7ZRykMcdGNIiPbSS782vm70/Vw4xqRV+8xCKxyd kKNcnWX/IxfUQrxiN0WAAl66BuFthB5g5PLBPck0F3rNMmdJCT7nhHHf+cvdUqCaPTHs J75jG4bxUXbPoEfZc7LRlbw1cPLt3/EuNDUU0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=RarnJe//kTj5XR5cBdqIjBXgjR8zXBwAdO3Gtxe8DMk0Nq2+P687glG+wKW/ynqStg lW/HEg10qAzjfAbvcraqkhQaj14T04/JdkFd6stHbPq87GI2520at73q77anB7xKMGei e2vWdGTifRBP4JIRblqXo8L3EiiyR/fRVFniE= Received: by 10.229.43.231 with SMTP id x39mr432256qce.10.1304788170659; Sat, 07 May 2011 10:09:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.47.70 with SMTP id m6ls574161qcf.3.gmail; Sat, 07 May 2011 10:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.197.15 with SMTP id ei15mr368018qcb.5.1304788169634; Sat, 07 May 2011 10:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.197.15 with SMTP id ei15mr368017qcb.5.1304788169616; Sat, 07 May 2011 10:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vx0-f176.google.com ([209.85.220.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o8si935441qcu.12.2011.05.07.10.09.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 07 May 2011 10:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.176; Received: by mail-vx0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 37so6628089vxa.21 for ; Sat, 07 May 2011 10:09:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.116.33 with SMTP id jt1mr3207468vdb.249.1304788168533; Sat, 07 May 2011 10:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.185.167 with HTTP; Sat, 7 May 2011 10:09:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201105062251.18981.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <025af042-f0be-48ff-b7de-79434433d587@l2g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <201105062251.18981.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 14:09:28 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: ci lo gerku vs lo ci gerku From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1183 On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > What about "ro lo no prane ke xirdegmei namcu cu gumpilji lo su'o so ficysi'u > namcu"? ("xirdegmei" is opposed to "landegmei".) It has been proved that they > must have at least nine different factors, that they are not divisible by > 105, etc.; but no one has found a single one, and some mathematicians suspect > they don't exist. If you are saying that "ro lo no broda cu brode" could be interpreted as "if there were any broda, they would brode, but in fact there aren't any broda", then I guess you could interpret it that way. From a logical point of view "lo no broda" is both a referring expression and not referring to anything, so we can only try things like mixing two different contexts to make sense of it. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.