On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>= wrote:

=A0 Ah, but I teach them valuable life lessons -- lik= e ascertaining exactly what "all" involves in a given transaction= before embraking on a task.=A0 And they're all too smart to fall for i= t any more :-)=A0

=A0

=A0=A0Your sentence doesn't assert anything about what would happe= n if there were >0 9-tailed dogs.=A0 It makes the claim that there ARE N= O 9-tailed dogs, and that they like bones.=A0 (but again, you can say anyth= ing about them, since there are 0 of them, and still be making a true state= ment).

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

=A0

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

haha, gejyspa, you're kind of a j= erk ;)=20

I guess it could also be a way of translating stuff from english like = "if there WERE 9-tailed-dogs, they would probably like bones" -&g= t; {pe'i lo no sozrebge'u cu nelci la'a tu'a lo bongu}=20

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Michael Turnians= ky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

=A0 No, no, it's ALWAYS true.=A0 And I didn't say it was neces= sarily useful, I just said it wsan't nonsense.=A0 After all, I use the = equivalent English with my kids all the time -- you know, like "I'= ll give you all the dollars in my pocket if you clean your room....Good job= , I now give you the zero dollars that are in my pocket."

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

=A0

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

But what's the purpose. =A0{lo no= gerku cu crino cirla .ije lo no gerku cu se rebla}. =A0If you can say anyt= hing about {lo no gerku} (whether it is true or false) then what is the pur= pose of it?

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Michael Turniansky &= lt;mturniansky@g= mail.com> wrote:

2011/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
&g= t;
> What about "ro lo no prane ke xirdegmei namcu cu gumpilji l= o su'o so ficysi'u
> namcu"? ("xirdegmei" is opposed to "landegmei"= ;.) It has been proved that they
> must have at least nine different = factors, that they are not divisible by
> 105, etc.; but no one has f= ound a single one, and some mathematicians suspect
> they don't exist.

If you are saying that "ro lo = no broda cu brode" could be interpreted
as "if there were any = broda, they would brode, but in fact there
aren't any broda", t= hen I guess you could interpret it that way. From
a logical point of view "lo no broda" is both a referring express= ion
and not referring to anything, so we can only try things like mixing=
two different contexts to make sense of it.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

=A0 I don't believe "lo no gerku cu blabi" to be self co= ntradictory/nonsense.=A0

=A0 Consider a room containing three white dogs -- lo ci gerku cu blab= i

=A0 I take one away -- lo re gerku cu blabi

=A0=A0I take another away -- lo pa gerku cu blabi

=A0 I take the last one away -- lo no gerku cu blabi=A0

=A0=A0Of course, when I take the last one away, I can equally truthful= ly say "lo no gerku cu xekri".=A0 But in all those cases I can sa= y "ro gerku [poi zvati lo kumfa ku'o] cu blabi".=A0 It's = jsut a question of whether I am specifying their cardinality (ci,re,pa,no) = or not (ro).

=A0

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

=A0

=A0

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