Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QJurE-0003or-Dh; Tue, 10 May 2011 14:52:47 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf27333524qwh.16 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 14:52:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KIBPeyUhVYmbf/UiLH3xNS8tdi9FhNa+DwCWSMohwzc=; b=nCjsyYFSb3tJpFg++1/0XwP3bkh3IrqLVRJUqJ/4yUrANdC6H8pZy3VpvPNGieSFFd 8u2gtsGGN7uiy3llsZnlUj4BS2r+qtVy/acWdwKMQeqP7OICMW2Rbio8zF/VV+713gHa Do7NZRi+TASwi9BERn9hkJ9X2uuxgZNO+YtbY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=VcPwa8gZXzR6lBcJmgEByBuJLBJRP7TTOyYoaKZBE6h6Y9nyb0v9tjf9WevlTXWdEU xO0vpS9bAGAuNkw8HdXX3Vx8Z0CMET4aNEwRGyZPGg+A7rCcPEElc7+EqBq0t24NNa7K i8hMil9blrOu7gG8yJ2QWvJavh9aX5LbEmrbk= Received: by 10.229.67.144 with SMTP id r16mr808393qci.6.1305064354374; Tue, 10 May 2011 14:52:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.47.70 with SMTP id m6ls1608119qcf.3.gmail; Tue, 10 May 2011 14:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.11.36 with SMTP id r36mr775684qcr.18.1305064353159; Tue, 10 May 2011 14:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.11.36 with SMTP id r36mr775683qcr.18.1305064353144; Tue, 10 May 2011 14:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vx0-f172.google.com ([209.85.220.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w19si1811432qco.3.2011.05.10.14.52.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 10 May 2011 14:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.172; Received: by mail-vx0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 33so12248380vxg.17 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 14:52:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.73.164 with SMTP id m4mr1036807vdv.169.1305064352600; Tue, 10 May 2011 14:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.185.167 with HTTP; Tue, 10 May 2011 14:52:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <025af042-f0be-48ff-b7de-79434433d587@l2g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <201105062251.18981.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 18:52:32 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: ci lo gerku vs lo ci gerku From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1320 On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > That's right, I am saying that "lo no gerku cu broda", > for any value of broda, asserts one thing, and one thing only, that "lo > gerku cu nomei". Surely with your reasoning it also imparts the information that "lo gerku cu pamei" and "lo gerku cu remei" and "lo gerku cu cimei", and "lo gerku cu pai mei", and any number of other things. Why would the predicate "no mei" impart information if none of the others do? > Therefore it's neither contradictory, nor meaningless, nor > nonsense. Saying of something that it is nomei is kind of contradictory. >=A0 It does make an assertion, it does impart information (that we > have no dogs), it just imparts it in an efficient way, and does not impar= t > any other information that it might on the surface appear to. I think "no gerku cu zvati [ti]" is more efficient (and more clear). mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.