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No it isn't, xorxes. The empty set (which is to say {lo po'o se nomei}) is =
a
thing. In fact, set theory basically works around it, putting it in sets,
putting those sets in other sets, etc.

mu'o mi'e .latros.

2011/5/10 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Michael Turniansky
> <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
> >ormation if none of the others do?
>
> > Therefore it's neither contradictory, nor meaningless, nor
> > nonsense.
>
> Saying of something that it is nomei is kind of contradictory.
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> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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No it isn&#39;t, xorxes. The empty set (which is to say {lo po&#39;o se nom=
ei}) is a thing. In fact, set theory basically works around it, putting it =
in sets, putting those sets in other sets, etc.<br><br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .l=
atros.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/5/10 Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</=
span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Michael Turniansky<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br>
&gt;ormation if none of the others do?<br>
</div><div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; Therefore it&#39;s neither contradictory, nor meaningless, nor<br>
&gt; nonsense.<br>
<br>
</div>Saying of something that it is nomei is kind of contradictory.<br>
<br><div class=3D"im"><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes<br>
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