Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QJvMk-0008QB-EU; Tue, 10 May 2011 15:25:22 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf27428504qwh.16 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 15:25:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=pb9AD/x6uh4Y+s11XPzEPqf/tfqgs7EhEOQ9VUy2IpQ=; b=pNAVX5LAwD12hUhzRk9gZiI5v71MhIYupRQS3IZ43CX+FUA/6y+4+STMKovjTIZRe+ 5bsIfLxLA4jS9sqXze4JL3nlWetSk7mDZK3rugfXrEq/MnC+bmP35JqvYdjYsHSG+PyP Ne4iACgWY8VG6gvS/Va+imQrbfMyizqSulodA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=5fBga2OZcuH9GIsoS2EWPzBoLpN/uFD2S349XnK2gV27y6dzFolv1fPa+nsjgrtUpN BF5KMccx71AFXva0/7IrDVw5O+BSsBhhLhjGjhAYruWInqxY/J4XNdygbqvW1MzjwqRW 6yEsAHgpbs8Sra2xQAafUAtSMSQ4jd81M+gXY= Received: by 10.224.63.227 with SMTP id c35mr1226790qai.45.1305066308603; Tue, 10 May 2011 15:25:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.187.145 with SMTP id cw17ls62732qab.2.gmail; Tue, 10 May 2011 15:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.201.74 with SMTP id ez10mr742718qab.14.1305066307094; Tue, 10 May 2011 15:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.201.74 with SMTP id ez10mr742717qab.14.1305066307086; Tue, 10 May 2011 15:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vx0-f180.google.com ([209.85.220.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r34si1817556qcp.5.2011.05.10.15.25.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 10 May 2011 15:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.180; Received: by vxk12 with SMTP id 12so2431726vxk.39 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 15:25:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.176.101 with SMTP id ch5mr708647vdc.129.1305066306551; Tue, 10 May 2011 15:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.185.167 with HTTP; Tue, 10 May 2011 15:25:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <025af042-f0be-48ff-b7de-79434433d587@l2g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <201105062251.18981.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 19:25:06 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: ci lo gerku vs lo ci gerku From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 903 On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > No it isn't, xorxes. The empty set (which is to say {lo po'o se nomei}) is a > thing. Of course it is. Are you suggesting I said it wasn't? > In fact, set theory basically works around it, putting it in sets, > putting those sets in other sets, etc. I didn't say that saying of something that it was a se nomei was contradictory, I said saying it was a nomei is contradictory. The empty set is not nomei, it is a set that has no members. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.