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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: ci lo gerku vs lo ci gerku
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You can't have a se broda without a broda, in some sense. The broda might
not be a "thing" (in a slightly looser sense than {dacti}), but it must
"exist".

mu'o mi'e .latros.

2011/5/10 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > No it isn't, xorxes. The empty set (which is to say {lo po'o se nomei})
> is a
> > thing.
>
> Of course it is. Are you suggesting I said it wasn't?
>
> > In fact, set theory basically works around it, putting it in sets,
> > putting those sets in other sets, etc.
>
> I didn't say that saying of something that it was a se nomei was
> contradictory, I said saying it was a nomei is contradictory. The
> empty set is not nomei, it is a set that has no members.
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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You can&#39;t have a se broda without a broda, in some sense. The broda mig=
ht not be a &quot;thing&quot; (in a slightly looser sense than {dacti}), bu=
t it must &quot;exist&quot;.<br><br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .latros.<br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">
2011/5/10 Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambi=
as@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Ian Johnson &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com">blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
>
&gt; No it isn&#39;t, xorxes. The empty set (which is to say {lo po&#39;o s=
e nomei}) is a<br>
&gt; thing.<br>
<br>
</div>Of course it is. Are you suggesting I said it wasn&#39;t?<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; In fact, set theory basically works around it, putting it in sets,<br>
&gt; putting those sets in other sets, etc.<br>
<br>
</div>I didn&#39;t say that saying of something that it was a se nomei was<=
br>
contradictory, I said saying it was a nomei is contradictory. The<br>
empty set is not nomei, it is a set that has no members.<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes<br>
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