Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QJwxD-00054H-MU; Tue, 10 May 2011 17:07:07 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf27714844qwh.16 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 17:06:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=GxZVH8QW+7pPhTxi5v/VSybUHOIxbusJH+Fxc3qki9w=; b=YbHjRkwOaDW6KGOuZDQ1KGJ3l8Kx/pmWqY9HzQBpJc2di6vJjACIJ9RUty5WJLrSLa AaCE4mq99QsginjRzkld2m58MET24xN2sE54U8DCXQ4PwR/6XKZNnKzR5Q1dxlxFQcbS PlvyU6MQYYsO+N89FLkjn6GqzzvcIlYqJFo6Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=pJjgVhV2S5JCb9KLHaFntxH1OdMGrLk7tWO/nHowxoP/yEJtzn5orEDRpfv2goJ6YK uH4C94qBmKFRKcE7eupvtlI3uEXiVouNwjQxOWhYhbRqlXbOtoeRXCYAJriwG50HjO3D 72IC+aYgRm5MkSVvzC7w31TdHTTWya8grnNHg= Received: by 10.224.71.17 with SMTP id f17mr1239722qaj.47.1305072413464; Tue, 10 May 2011 17:06:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.174.6 with SMTP id r6ls71607qaz.7.gmail; Tue, 10 May 2011 17:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.136.18 with SMTP id p18mr741409qat.10.1305072412953; Tue, 10 May 2011 17:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.136.18 with SMTP id p18mr741408qat.10.1305072412941; Tue, 10 May 2011 17:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vx0-f171.google.com ([209.85.220.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m42si1830332qcz.9.2011.05.10.17.06.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 10 May 2011 17:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.171; Received: by vxc40 with SMTP id 40so12048180vxc.16 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 17:06:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.179.131 with SMTP id dg3mr504699vdc.9.1305071343941; Tue, 10 May 2011 16:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.185.167 with HTTP; Tue, 10 May 2011 16:49:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <025af042-f0be-48ff-b7de-79434433d587@l2g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <201105062251.18981.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 20:49:03 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: ci lo gerku vs lo ci gerku From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 715 On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > It's the elements that don't exist; the {se nomei} and consequently the > {nomei} do exist, they just don't have anything in them. You seem to be saying that "se nomei" expresses a relationship between the empty set and some elements that don't exist. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.