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I.e in hearts you can play several "games" (ze'u) made up of several "hands= " (ze'a) made up of several "tricks" (ze'i) On May 20, 2011 2:39 PM, "MorphemeAddict" wrote: > How about a hand in a card game? A single round of players taking individual > turns. > stevo > > > On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > >> Like a session? Playing a game from beginning to end? That sounds like just >> {LE NU kelci}, where NU is chosen based on emphasis (emphasizing repetition >> vs. emphasizing beginning-middle-end)? I may be misinterpreting though. >> >> mu'o mi'e .latros. >> >> >> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: >> >>> Not what I intended. It's good to see the ambiguity. >>> >>> How would you describe a round of a game, as opposed to a turn (where a >>> turn is taken by one player, and a round can consist of turns and generally >>> involves some repeated component with beginning and end)? >>> >>> >>> 2011/5/20 Jorge Llamb=EDas >>> >>>> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn >>>> wrote: >>>> > That (mostly) confirms what I expected. >>>> > >>>> > What would you expect {lo kelci krefu} and {lo kelci se krefu} to refer >>>> > to/describe? >>>> >>>> A rematch? >>>> >>>> mu'o mi'e xorxes >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Alex R >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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Maybe we could use ze'i and friends to specify the nestedness of a &= quot;round". I.e in hearts you can play several "games" (ze&= #39;u) made up of several "hands" (ze'a) made up of several &= quot;tricks" (ze'i)

On May 20, 2011 2:39 PM, "MorphemeAddict&qu= ot; <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrot= e:
> How about a hand in a card game? A single r= ound of players taking individual
> turns.
> stevo
>
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at= 1:39 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbr= avado@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Like a session? Playing= a game from beginning to end? That sounds like just
>> {LE NU kelci}, where NU is chosen based on emphasis (emphasizing r= epetition
>> vs. emphasizing beginning-middle-end)? I may be misin= terpreting though.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e .latros.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Alex Roz= enshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Not what I intended. It's good= to see the ambiguity.
>>>
>>> How would you describe a round of a game, as o= pposed to a turn (where a
>>> turn is taken by one player, and = a round can consist of turns and generally
>>> involves some re= peated component with beginning and end)?
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/5/20 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;
jjllambias@gmail.com>
&g= t;>>
>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Alex Rozens= hteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com&= gt;
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > That (mostly) confirms wha= t I expected.
>>>> >
>>>> > What would = you expect {lo kelci krefu} and {lo kelci se krefu} to refer
>>>= ;> > to/describe?
>>>>
>>>> A rematch?
>>>>
>= >>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>>>
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>>> Alex R
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