On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 12:46 PM, paul_faehrbrorn <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:
Hi everybody,

I have been reading about Lojban for quite while now, more or less
read through the CLL, and started playing around with the language.
So, I do have a grasp of moderately simple sentences (with a very
restricted vocabulary, that is), but I often find myself bumping my
mind either on Lojban grammar or on the underlying logic in general.
Which is probably why Lojban is such a nice thing. :)

I have now succeeded in confusing myself most utterly with the
following (made-up) Lojban question and answers:

=A0lo munje cu se cupra ma

a) no da
b) zi'o
c) na'i
d) vo'a
e) ri
f) ri poi cevni [feeling a little bit panentheistic here ...?]

Now, my questions are partly about the meaning (in this context) of
the cmavo involved, and partly about syntactical correctness:

If the premise be that the world as such has not been produced/built/
created by any entity (so, more or less the common sense assumption
that the world just there, and that's about it ...)---could anybody
please help me understand the difference in meaning between answers a)
and b), and b) and c)?

I think that a) is about an empty set of world-creators. But could we,
then, still say that the world is "se cupra"? Probably yes, since= , if
not, would a) not *entail c)?

b) looks like a normal "fill-in-the-sumti" answer to a "ma&q= uot;-question,
but does in fact turn the bridi "se cupra" into the different bri= di
"se cupra zi'o", doesn't it? Is that grammatically, pragm= atically
possible? What does it mean?

And c) seems to claim that it is not meaningful to say of the world
that it is created by somebody---does that mean that "lo munje cu se cupra no da" isn't meaningful, either?

And, finally, if I were to claim that the world created itself
(whatever that may mean), would answers d) to f) be grammatically
correct, and would they refer to "lo munje", as intended?

(If something like this has already been discussed, could you point me
to it? I didn't find it then, sorry.)

Thanks
Paul F=E4hrbrorn

PS: I'm learning Lojban through English, but I'm not a native Engli= sh
speaker. Please be forbearing with regard to quirky English.

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