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Is it false, true, meaningless? I'm aware > that this is related to the "lo no" discussion, but I think this is slightly > more basic and answerable. > >> >> > i.e. {broda ro da na gi'a broda su'o da} >> > >> > Tangentially, is there an accepted way of asking "...doesn't it?" 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I would interpret it as essentially "no da broda"

On May 30, 2011 6:48 PM, ".arpis." <= ;rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.c= om> wrote:
> 2011/5/30 Jorge Llamb=EDas &= lt;jjllambias@gmail.com>
>
>> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 3:51 PM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> > {ro da} implies {su'o da}?
>>= ;
>> Except in the extremely rare and rather pointless case of an empty=
>> universe, yes.
>>
>
> That exception is = the key point of question:
>
> Specifically, in the restricted= case,
> (assuming there are no cat-dogs in the universe) what does {ro da poi = ke'a
> gerku je mlatu cu broda} mean? Is it false, true, meaningl= ess? I'm aware
> that this is related to the "lo no" di= scussion, but I think this is slightly
> more basic and answerable.
>
>>
>> > i.e. = {broda ro da na gi'a broda su'o da}
>> >
>> &g= t; Tangentially, is there an accepted way of asking "...doesn't it= ?" That
>> is,
>> > making a statement and asking for confirmatio= n.
>>
>> I use "ie pei" or "pe'i pei&= quot;.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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